Fellaini

[steken1]

"Mirallas has proved himself to be a good player on the right"

Yes I agree BUT....

He has proved himself to be an amazing player with goals galore in him from a more attacking left posistion.

I wouldn't say he's done anything from the left he hasn't done from the right. Also, goals galore, might be a 'slight' exaggeration considering the amounts he scored in total with 3 of them coming from playing up front against lower league opposition.

 

[throughthewindandthedrain]

A couple of points:

1. Maybe, just maybe Fellaini might want to stay given the change in manager and the fact Martinez will want Fellaini playing where he's best, that's to say centre mid, which is where he prefers it

2. All this he hasn't said he wants to leave nonsense is Fellaini and his agent with eyes on his loyalty bonus, if he forced a move, he loses that which can be millions. He spent all last season talking up a move of course but till he does it officially he still keeps his bonus

good points but it is only a transfer request that removes the loyalty bonus so he has no incentive to say he wants to stay and is happy which is the points I think most are making. Rooney slapped in a transfer request then changed his mind and there wasn't endless coverage of him going until he did it again. am wondering technically whether the kind of clause that some people think is in place would mean a loyalty bonus goes out the window anyway. the club would be able to say they had to sell. he didn't break his contract but it would be his decision to go

 

[throughthewindandthedrain]

I think a big part of it also mate is IF he is sold we need to have the replacement signed up. Be that Fer or Defour or another player of a really high level in the center, if we dont then id rather keep hold of him also

Then again im still living in a vain hope that Rooney comes home this year, so that in itself is me living in dreamland like

definitely think most good managers will not wait till they have to replace them before looking to have a replacement for a key player. not sure that it will avoid the manager getting sh*t though with some people wanting the money to go straight out again. think most clubs would prefer look at it as very fluid and spend money based on the assets they already have, and avoid spending when clubs know they have the money and need to spend. am sure Martinez looking at it like that but bound to get stick either way. was glad we bought Oviedo to cover for Baines and Pienaar, but still first reaction from loads was ..[Poor language removed] is Baines going

 

[Joey66]

Extra wages? He can **** right off

Why we can possibly afford it now - DM salary was very high - we have the Sky money why not keep an asset with a bigger signing on clause? it makes sense to me!

 

[Thuck ma Baws]

Extra wages? He can **** right off

It would probably be worth it to be honest. Increase his wages by £10k a week and increase his release fee by £5mill. We'll get another year out of him and although he is frustrating at times and the perfect definition of a Match of the Day player, he is getting better all the time and there would definitely be takers for him next summer. We'd make the extra wages plus a lot more from the increased release fee.

Having said that I don't think it's the end of the world if we sell him this summer and reinvest in the team.

 

[bluestevon]

Why we can possibly afford it now - DM salary was very high - we have the Sky money why not keep an asset with a bigger signing on clause? it makes sense to me!

Errrm maybe because he is already the clubs top earner, only resigned a year ago, and has consistently leaked stories about moving to a champions league team, plus IF the reason to move is wanting to test himself in European comps i can understand that, if its to win silverware i can understand that too, IF its for a extra 25-50k in his pay a week then go happily to Utd/Chelsea whoever will pay you him that because hes not worth destroying the pay structure of the club for

 

[bluestevon]

definitely think most good managers will not wait till they have to replace them before looking to have a replacement for a key player. not sure that it will avoid the manager getting sh*t though with some people wanting the money to go straight out again. think most clubs would prefer look at it as very fluid and spend money based on the assets they already have, and avoid spending when clubs know they have the money and need to spend. am sure Martinez looking at it like that but bound to get stick either way. was glad we bought Oviedo to cover for Baines and Pienaar, but still first reaction from loads was ..[Poor language removed] is Baines going

my reaction with oviedo was THANK GOD we finally have someone to cover should Baines get a injury or need a rest, sadly though moyes didnt play him anywhere near enough

 

[Joey66]

Errrm maybe because he is already the clubs top earner, only resigned a year ago, and has consistently leaked stories about moving to a champions league team, plus IF the reason to move is wanting to test himself in European comps i can understand that, if its to win silverware i can understand that too, IF its for a extra 25-50k in his pay a week then go happily to Utd/Chelsea whoever will pay you him that because hes not worth destroying the pay structure of the club for

apart form DM wages we have save 50 k on capt pip wages and if we get rid of JH there's another 50 k on wages - Martinez will fetch in squad players as well as a couple of star signings imo so to keep fellli its a no brainer to increase his pay compare him with Carrick of UNT who would you rather have?

 

[Jags..class]

Would rather flog Fellaini then giving him a pay rise.

 

[djpauly]

Would rather flog Fellaini then giving him a pay rise.

this, what a ridiculous idea. Really hope he goes this summer, tho highly doubt it

 

[Whitty]

It would probably be worth it to be honest. Increase his wages by £10k a week and increase his release fee by £5mill. We'll get another year out of him and although he is frustrating at times and the perfect definition of a Match of the Day player, he is getting better all the time and there would definitely be takers for him next summer. We'd make the extra wages plus a lot more from the increased release fee.

Having said that I don't think it's the end of the world if we sell him this summer and reinvest in the team.

So we give him an extra £10k a week and then Jagielka asks for the same - fair enough he deserves it as well, there's £1m a year gone between the 2 of them, Mirallas, Coleman, Baines, yep let's give them all pay rises as well?

I don't see why there would "definitely be takers for him next summer" when we're asking £5m more and he's a year older when there don't appear to have been any concrete bids in for him since he's been with us even though the papers have linked with him to clubs constantly

 

[Jags..class]

So we give him an extra £10k a week and then Jagielka asks for the same - fair enough he deserves it as well, there's £1m a year gone between the 2 of them, Mirallas, Coleman, Baines, yep let's give them all pay rises as well?

I don't see why there would "definitely be takers for him next summer" when we're asking £5m more and he's a year older when there don't appear to have been any concrete bids in for him since he's been with us even though the papers have linked with him to clubs constantly

Spot on, the extra money we get is to add two more quality players to the team, not give it to players who are already the top earner.

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

Give our top earner even more money? Don't see the point myself. The lad is hardly as important as baines to our team and he's probably on about double. Sell him and sign two quality players who will turn up for more than 10 games a year

 

[bluestevon]

apart form DM wages we have save 50 k on capt pip wages and if we get rid of JH there's another 50 k on wages - Martinez will fetch in squad players as well as a couple of star signings imo so to keep fellli its a no brainer to increase his pay compare him with Carrick of UNT who would you rather have?

so without really receiving any sizable sale income from players, we somehow are now in a situation to fetch in squad players (assuming by the plural you mean 2-3 of them) and a couple of star signings, assuming a avg squad player for a top half team costs like 3-4 million minimum and a starr signing around 10m where exatly are we funding this 30m spending spree from exactly?

combine this with saving 100k and say maybe 30k from moyes wages (a big if atm as we couldn't get rid of heitanga in jan and theirs not many takers for him on the horizon so we could easily end up stuck with him all season long tbh)

the amount of players you said Martinez will sign will cost us around 20-25k for a squad player and 60k for a star player at a minimum, so a wage increase of 180k - savings from outgoings of 130k max and yet you want to give a player under are largest contract a wage increase... baffling the logic of some

 

[SheedyBracewellReidSteven]

It would probably be worth it to be honest. Increase his wages by £10k a week and increase his release fee by £5mill. We'll get another year out of him and although he is frustrating at times and the perfect definition of a Match of the Day player, he is getting better all the time and there would definitely be takers for him next summer. We'd make the extra wages plus a lot more from the increased release fee.

Having said that I don't think it's the end of the world if we sell him this summer and reinvest in the team.

I think this could be a solution that suits both parties. If Fellaini gets a move he knows he will not be a weekly starter in the likes of Chelsea and Man U, and I doubt he would be up for going off to Siberia or the erse end of nowhere in Somewherestan to play for some oligarch's team and trouser some wedge. He has his eyes on the World Cup, so he wants to be a weekly player in the world's most famous (not necessarily best) league. Give him a few grand more a week, bump up the release clause price in the new contract, get another year or 2 out of him, then sell him if he wants to go and buy 2 or 3 good players with the money. If he has a stellar World Cup his sell on price would be better anyway, so the higher sell on clause better be high enough.

Fair play to the lad if he actually is more interested in playing football every week rather than sitting on the bench in one of the "big" clubs.