We will help him with his amnesia, it’s what we do mate, just helping people.
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51G? I never knew that, don't think it was mentioned at the weekend...hehe
I can understand why they wanted the muted podium celebrations, flags at half mast, 3 days of national mourning and Hamilton charged with attempted murder.
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Found this interesting:
Having won lots of titles with LH and one with Button, four long serving engineering leaders at Brackley (Vowles, Shovlin and the sporting director and one who appeared on the Beyond the Grid podcast) were unanimous that Michael was a) just about the best driver they ever worked with (LH being a very close second) and b) by far their favourite driver to work with because he was such a great motivator because of his exceptional interpersonal skills.
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Where did you copy paste that text from ? It sounds like a dubious interpretation of quotes from this podcast (which is the one i meant to link you a few pages back but mistakingly posted the Paddy Lowe one)
I listened to it a few months back and I don't remember them saying anything about Hamilton being a very close second or that Schumacher was better and BY FAR their favourite driver to work with. Perhaps my memory is failing me, can you point to where in the podcast they say this stuff ?
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A Formula One website. Doubt he is biased, as he said he thinks they are wrong, and that Hamilton is better!
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If you go to around he 1:19 mark they all say their favourite was Schumacher. One even asks if Lewis is listening before giving his answer
Interestingly, one said he had the totally wrong impression of Schumacher before he worked with him!
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The Brackley Brothers – Andrew Shovlin, James Vowles, Ron Meadows, and Simon Cole – were present on F1’s podcast called Beyond the Grid. They have had a long haul at the team, having been present since it was BAR, then Honda, then Brawn GP, and finally, Mercedes.
For them, German legend Michael Schumacher is the best driver they have worked with.
“Michael Schumacher, but mainly because I was in the awe of him before he arrived and when he left the team, I was even more in the awe of him just because of how he behaved and treated all the team members,” said Ron Meadows.
“Is Lewis listening? Does he listen to your podcast?” Simon Cole asked with a little chuckle. “I would say Michael Schumacher, not just because it’s sort of the common theme, but because he was genuinely impressive when we worked with him.”
Chief strategist Vowles had a similar opinion. He spoke about how Schumacher completely changed his initial perception of him.
“I would go with Michael because I had a perception that was entirely wrong of him before he joined,” he said. “I thought he was arrogant, I thought he was cold because that’s the impression you got. It took me just minutes before I realized that’s not true. And his greatness really shone in that period where we were with him and we learned a lot from him.”
It is tough to leave out Jenson Button as far as engineer Shovlin is concerned. They duo formed an impressive partnership that saw Button win the world championship in 2009. For Shovlin, it was tough to look beyond Button.
“I can’t leave Jenson out, can I? I saw, as an engineer, I was learning on-the-job very much with him and just a lot of happy memories and funny moments.”
For them, German legend Michael Schumacher is the best driver they have worked with.
“Michael Schumacher, but mainly because I was in the awe of him before he arrived and when he left the team, I was even more in the awe of him just because of how he behaved and treated all the team members,” said Ron Meadows.
“Is Lewis listening? Does he listen to your podcast?” Simon Cole asked with a little chuckle. “I would say Michael Schumacher, not just because it’s sort of the common theme, but because he was genuinely impressive when we worked with him.”
Chief strategist Vowles had a similar opinion. He spoke about how Schumacher completely changed his initial perception of him.
“I would go with Michael because I had a perception that was entirely wrong of him before he joined,” he said. “I thought he was arrogant, I thought he was cold because that’s the impression you got. It took me just minutes before I realized that’s not true. And his greatness really shone in that period where we were with him and we learned a lot from him.”
It is tough to leave out Jenson Button as far as engineer Shovlin is concerned. They duo formed an impressive partnership that saw Button win the world championship in 2009. For Shovlin, it was tough to look beyond Button.
“I can’t leave Jenson out, can I? I saw, as an engineer, I was learning on-the-job very much with him and just a lot of happy memories and funny moments.”
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(Crickets)
I’ve just listened to it and they are talking about their favourite driver to work with, not necessarily the best driver.
I think Lewis is the best ever but can understand why some think Schumacher is.
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Nah, Hamilton is the tier just below Clark, Fangio, Schumacher and Senna.
Why though?
On achievements, he isn't. And surely that's the only metric to use as you can't really compare drivers across different eras.
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Senna was unique. Schumacher was all-round brilliance, with the way he developed cars and teams a massive strength unmatched. You can't argue with Fangio's pioneering record, while Clark was able to race and win in just about every car and discipline.
Hamilton is a great, but no better than Alonso. He just happened to get the best car at a time when no one else could challenge.
All the great drivers did this. The reason they're great is because they showed their ability to be trusted in the best car.
Stick Schumacher and Senna in a Haas/Minardi/whatever their entire career and they'd have won nothing and nobody would talk about them. Throw Pierluigi Martini in the Merc Hamilton has had or the Ferrari Schumacher did and he could have been considered a "legend". Similarly, stick Fangio in a V6/V8 car and he might have looked abysmal, you just don't know.
You can't invalidate F1 achievements of one person unless you apply them to others. There's no way to compare them; all you can go on is what they've achieved. Hamilton, whether you like it or not, is an all-time F1 great, right alongside the others. Objectively so.
Strongly disagree but it’s all opinions isn’t it. In my opinion Hamilton is the best ever. He’s won races in very average cars and now he is in the best car he has basically dominated the sport for 7 years. And in those 7 years he wasn’t always in the best car either.
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