Everton Youth Teams Thread

[BinglyBlue]

Non Everton related, but if that's to be believed 30K a week for a 17 year old sounds ludicrous

 

[marchy]

This kid looks the business though.

 

[Nymzee]

This kid looks the business though.

He's very, very good. Player of the tournament for the U17's this summer despite not winning (POTT tends to go to winners). One one hand you can admire him if he's debating moving due to an unclear pathway into the first team but if he's moving around for the best wage and it's £30k+ you wonder why other teams don't have the grounding we do for youngsters.

 

[Nymzee]

Nice to see some more good work by the club:

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...er-league-youth-footballers-snapchat-grooming

 

[Billy Dean]

Non Everton related, but if that's to be believed 30K a week for a 17 year old sounds ludicrous

shame, there was talk of him going to Dortmund. That would've been interesting.

 

[Paul Rideout]

My only concern is we've signed all these boss kids, and we've got a fair few who were boss and came through or academy - but if rumour is true, RK doesn't appear want to give them a fair crack.

Which means we're wasting money on assets which will never be utilised at full maturity.

 

[Lanolin]

My only concern is we've signed all these boss kids, and we've got a fair few who were boss and came through or academy - but if rumour is true, RK doesn't appear want to give them a fair crack.

Which means we're wasting money on assets which will never be utilised at full maturity.

To be fair though, the only evidence we can go off is what's happened so far, and that is that loads of young players have been given an opportunity in the first team.

The simple fact is that fans are very quick to jump on the bandwagon about young players without any idea how good they actually are. Last August people were telling me Holgate was a better right back than Coleman, this year they're telling me it's a disgrace that he might play in front of Kenny.

People called Martinez all sorts for dropping the 'potentially world class' Galloway when Baines got fit, but after being unable to fully convince Martinez, he's been totally unable to convince Koeman or Pulis. Almost as if all the hype was just that.

I'm a firm believer that if kids are good enough they'll get chances, and nothing in Koeman's tenure so far has suggested otherwise.

 

[Zatara]

My only concern is we've signed all these boss kids, and we've got a fair few who were boss and came through or academy - but if rumour is true, RK doesn't appear want to give them a fair crack.

Which means we're wasting money on assets which will never be utilised at full maturity.

We'll be fine in 2 years when he's gone.

 

[mightymoyes]

To be fair though, the only evidence we can go off is what's happened so far, and that is that loads of young players have been given an opportunity in the first team.

The simple fact is that fans are very quick to jump on the bandwagon about young players without any idea how good they actually are. Last August people were telling me Holgate was a better right back than Coleman, this year they're telling me it's a disgrace that he might play in front of Kenny.

People called Martinez all sorts for dropping the 'potentially world class' Galloway when Baines got fit, but after being unable to fully convince Martinez, he's been totally unable to convince Koeman or Pulis. Almost as if all the hype was just that.

I'm a firm believer that if kids are good enough they'll get chances, and nothing in Koeman's tenure so far has suggested otherwise.

to be fair he seems okay at giving ones we've bought a chance, any that have come through our academy have a serious job on their hands convincing him they're ready. davies was ready long before he actually started him, its not like the midfielders were pulling up any trees last season before he came in.

 

[Lanolin]

to be fair he seems okay at giving ones we've bought a chance, any that have come through our academy have a serious job on their hands convincing him they're ready. davies was ready long before he actually started him, its not like the midfielders were pulling up any trees last season before he came in.

He played 25 games last year. TWENTY FIVE. The lad had only just turned 18 and he played considerably more than half our games, and yet we're using that as an example of how the manager won't give academy players a chance? Consider my mind well and truly boggled.

 

[formerly manx toffee]

We have to remember that the jump from academy to PL first team is huge. The best players at this level still have a lot of work to do to become consistent players in RK's plans. I think it is harsh to condemn RK for this. If they are good enough they will break through and play.

If I look at the players that have been released over the past few years there are not many that we got wrong. Mustafi and Dier would be standouts, but I am not sure of the circumstances there either.

Whether the likes of Davies etc make it is yet to be seen.

Don't take this as a dig at the academy, I think they do a great job. Just watch how low you have the bar for them coming through though. It is a tough ask for any of them.

 

[mightymoyes]

He played 25 games last year. TWENTY FIVE. The lad had only just turned 18 and he played considerably more than half our games, and yet we're using that as an example of how the manager won't give academy players a chance? Consider my mind well and truly boggled.

he didnt start a game until december or january, the team was absolute gash up to then. he should have been in earlier.

 

[jceverton]

to be fair he seems okay at giving ones we've bought a chance, any that have come through our academy have a serious job on their hands convincing him they're ready. davies was ready long before he actually started him, its not like the midfielders were pulling up any trees last season before he came in.

I think the context is important. I understand he gave Davies a good amount of games eventually but it would have been hard to leave him out after the way he played and the other players he had available.

However we had Unsworth playing them before he came and telling us that Davies, Kenny & Dowell were ready and another 3 or 4 were either ready or would be in 12 months. Then we had Koemans comments, 4 months into the season about none of them being ready before Unsworth came out a few days later and said they were ready. A few weeks later Koeman played Davies. Then I've been told that Koeman made it clear to Unsworth that he shouldn't be making any comments in future.
Now we've signed Klaasen, Martina and new rumours about Koeman won't be playing Kenny, Dowell, Connolly and Davies will be getting a lot less games. Just my opinion & I know others see it differently but I don't have much faith in him giving homegrown youngsters a fair crack of the whip. We'll know for sure after this season.

 

[Lanolin]

he didnt start a game until december or january, the team was absolute gash up to then. he should have been in earlier.

I know what you're saying, and I was calling for him to get a game before Christmas myself.

In my opinion though, the lad looked like he'd hit the wall by about April. It was an excellent breakthrough year don't get me wrong, but I thought his performance level dropped considerably in the last couple of months of the season. Had he been in the side earlier, the effects may have been more noticeable, and potentially more damaging.

It's things like this that often get overlooked, the manager and coaches have to weigh up the long term pros and cons, the psychological side of things, and the player's physical capabilities, not just say 'oh he looks like a good player, put him in' like we do on here.

 

[mightymoyes]

I know what you're saying, and I was calling for him to get a game before Christmas myself.

In my opinion though, the lad looked like he'd hit the wall by about April. It was an excellent breakthrough year don't get me wrong, but I thought his performance level dropped considerably in the last couple of months of the season. Had he been in the side earlier, the effects may have been more noticeable, and potentially more damaging.

It's things like this that often get overlooked, the manager and coaches have to weigh up the long term pros and cons, the psychological side of things, and the player's physical capabilities, not just say 'oh he looks like a good player, put him in' like we do on here.

i get what you're saying but it just seems to me koeman would rather exhaust all other options until theres nothing left and only then will he give a kid from the academy a go.