Everton Youth Teams Thread

[mightymoyes]

U18 losing 0-1 to Blackburn after 56m

Must have equalised as you were posting that 1-1 after 56 minutes according to flashscore.
79 gone now

 

[T LEAFE]

Must have equalised as you were posting that 1-1 after 56 minutes according to flashscore.
79 gone now

Aye Melvin Matos 56m
I must be a lucky charm
FT 1-1

 

[mightymoyes]

2 points ahead of derby now with 1 game left, which away against Liverpool on Saturday

 

[Makis]

I hope that TFG start to work ruthlessly with our younger age teams because for too long they have just been stagnating with little to no prospects of ever getting into our first team.

If it were me, I would look at the U21s and ask the coaching staff to score each player on a scale of 1-10 (1 being "never going to make it" and 10 being "nailed on for our First Team). Anyone lower than say 7 or 8 would be shipped out with U18s promoted in their place.

I would then repeat the same decision whenever a player hit 18/19. We need a production line of players who have realistic prospects of playing for us, not Salford or someone else lower down the pyramid.

Three things: first big clubs like City pay good money to really young players to join their Academy. Should we start shelling out up to hundred of thousands on long shots (every youth player under 16 is a long shot)? There are only so many players who are good enough to play in the PL one day. There are less than 500 first team Premier League players each year and those players come from about 20 different age groups. So by simple maths, if your U18 team has 20 players, getting one of those to the PL would be a good result because most players are bought to the first team from elsewhere.

Secondly, most Academies work on the assumption that each age group only has couple of potential first team players. It's just what it is. But those teams couldn't operate without enough players to field a full team so the rest are basically just making up the numbers.

Third, Everton has made quite a lot of money from youngsters sold to lower level teams. Not millions, but still money. Just because a kid is not going to play in the PL doesn't necessarily mean all the money was wasted.

 

[UltraVires]

Three things: first big clubs like City pay good money to really young players to join their Academy. Should we start shelling out up to hundred of thousands on long shots (every youth player under 16 is a long shot)? There are only so many players who are good enough to play in the PL one day. There are less than 500 first team Premier League players each year and those players come from about 20 different age groups. So by simple maths, if your U18 team has 20 players, getting one of those to the PL would be a good result because most players are bought to the first team from elsewhere.

Secondly, most Academies work on the assumption that each age group only has couple of potential first team players. It's just what it is. But those teams couldn't operate without enough players to field a full team so the rest are basically just making up the numbers.

Third, Everton has made quite a lot of money from youngsters sold to lower level teams. Not millions, but still money. Just because a kid is not going to play in the PL doesn't necessarily mean all the money was wasted.

Let’s be honest, none of the U21s look close to being good enough to play or even sell. Graham is the one exception perhaps.

What is the point in keeping the likes of Reece Welch and naming him captain when he is a league one defender at best most likely.

We have done it for years and while you can make a few quid here and there, we are never going to compete with the “Big 6” type teams financially. Therefore, we have to try and create a way of developing youth in greater quantity and being more ruthless is the best way of doing it.

 

[Timak]

I hope that TFG start to work ruthlessly with our younger age teams because for too long they have just been stagnating with little to no prospects of ever getting into our first team.

If it were me, I would look at the U21s and ask the coaching staff to score each player on a scale of 1-10 (1 being "never going to make it" and 10 being "nailed on for our First Team). Anyone lower than say 7 or 8 would be shipped out with U18s promoted in their place.

I would then repeat the same decision whenever a player hit 18/19. We need a production line of players who have realistic prospects of playing for us, not Salford or someone else lower down the pyramid.

Players are humans and have choices.

Any talented 12 year old being offered guaranteed 6 year holistic education programs at City isn't going to sign up for Squid games at Everton.

 

[mightymoyes]

Let’s be honest, none of the U21s look close to being good enough to play or even sell. Graham is the one exception perhaps.

What is the point in keeping the likes of Reece Welch and naming him captain when he is a league one defender at best most likely.

We have done it for years and while you can make a few quid here and there, we are never going to compete with the “Big 6” type teams financially. Therefore, we have to try and create a way of developing youth in greater quantity and being more ruthless is the best way of doing it.

We wouldn't be able to field a team if we didn't keep players like Welch around for a while, who tbf has been on multiple loans.

 

[Marcus Kendall]

Youth development isn't an exact science, players can improve at different times or conversely their progress can stall when you think they will make it. Paul Scholes is a classic example as Man Utd were unsure about him and rumour is they were about to let him go but he progressed rapidly and unforeseenly and the rest is history

 

[Makis]

As a reminder, club has sold Dobbin, Cannon and Simms who were Academy products for a combined fee of over 20 million. None of these were really good enough for the first team.

 

[Raino85]

Three things: first big clubs like City pay good money to really young players to join their Academy. Should we start shelling out up to hundred of thousands on long shots (every youth player under 16 is a long shot)? There are only so many players who are good enough to play in the PL one day. There are less than 500 first team Premier League players each year and those players come from about 20 different age groups. So by simple maths, if your U18 team has 20 players, getting one of those to the PL would be a good result because most players are bought to the first team from elsewhere.

Secondly, most Academies work on the assumption that each age group only has couple of potential first team players. It's just what it is. But those teams couldn't operate without enough players to field a full team so the rest are basically just making up the numbers.

Third, Everton has made quite a lot of money from youngsters sold to lower level teams. Not millions, but still money. Just because a kid is not going to play in the PL doesn't necessarily mean all the money was wasted.

1 every 2 years is probably a good barometer to judge it on.
Gordon being 4 years ago, Samuels Smith or Lawrence were probably the next one from 2 years ago, but we sold them, with Armstrong looking like the next candidate....plus sales of players like Cannon & Simms, the acadamy has done ok

 

[Makis]

Especially remembering there was a transfer ban which certainly had an effect.

 

[davep]

Let’s be honest, none of the U21s look close to being good enough to play or even sell. Graham is the one exception perhaps.

What is the point in keeping the likes of Reece Welch and naming him captain when he is a league one defender at best most likely.

We have done it for years and while you can make a few quid here and there, we are never going to compete with the “Big 6” type teams financially. Therefore, we have to try and create a way of developing youth in greater quantity and being more ruthless is the best way of doing it.

No offense but you have no clue what you are talking about and should listen to those more knowledgeable than you.

 

[W84 Dum Freeze]

Is she related to Ernie?

That was horse driven, I'm not that ancient !

 

[W84 Dum Freeze]

As a reminder, club has sold Dobbin, Cannon and Simms who were Academy products for a combined fee of over 20 million. None of these were really good enough for the first team.

Can we get to Ajax standards of development though?

 

[Raino85]

Let’s be honest, none of the U21s look close to being good enough to play or even sell. Graham is the one exception perhaps.

What is the point in keeping the likes of Reece Welch and naming him captain when he is a league one defender at best most likely.

We have done it for years and while you can make a few quid here and there, we are never going to compete with the “Big 6” type teams financially. Therefore, we have to try and create a way of developing youth in greater quantity and being more ruthless is the best way of doing it.

Just like in first team football, the younger under 21s do need the odd 'experienced' player around them to help them through games etc.
If you have a talented 18 year old playing Centre back, does it help them more playing alongside a talented 16/17 year old, or a 22 year old who has played in the football league and by all accounts has a decent attitude?

Branthwaite ahs massively benefited from playing alongside Tarkowski in my opinion.

Some clubs even throw in 'on field coaches' like Spearing at the reds.