Everton fanbase - how to make a positive contribution to the team's success

[streeky]

The fans have nothing to do with the situation over the last 5 years. a prosession of foreign fraud mangers who don't understand everton football club, or how to adapt a team and system that encompasses the squad we have. The fans decided to leave on mass saturday rather than watch players and manger out of their depth. good for them i say.

 

[Blueclouds]

Been saying this for years. I stopped going the games as the fans around me annoyed me more then the team. Constant berating the players was not my cup of tea.

 

[chrismpw]

So let me get this straight. The fans who may or may not be happy, have to force themselves to clap and cheer regardless of the whats occurred on the pitch, because It may bring the best out of some of the no marks on the pitch and on the board ?

Do what you like, mate. I'm just suggesting that support and encouragement, albeit through gritted teeth, will give a better outcome than getting into their backs.

 

[bicycleheader]

You pay money to go see the game. You make the effort to get to the game. You are a fan of the club and want them to win. You dream of them winning a trophy and becoming successful again.

Then the game kicks off and Davies mis-hits a couple of passes in a row. Or the opposition get in behind our defence too easily. Or Siggurdsson hits a free kick sailing over the bar. Or Walcott mis-controls a simple ball when in one-on-one.

You have a choice. To groan quietly and complain to your mate beside you....whilst clapping loudly and shouting encouragement like cmon Tom lad or cmon Everton or whatever you might say. Or you can groan loudly at each thing that doesn't work out even when the intention and effort was good, and shout abuse at individual players for simple errors or inform them impolitely that they don't know what they are doing.

Choice is yours, but I know which option has the higher logical chance of helping the players to get the win that you want.

I think the 90 mins should be for encouraging really. You are shooting yourself in the foot otherwise, and I don't get that at all.

There's exceptions of course that I can understand.....a player not trying a bit for several weeks running that all the fans know should not be in the team and want to let the manager know. A manager that everybody just hates and want him gone asap. But in general support in the 90 and if its warranted boo at the final whistle.

I think there's even a time and place for the best protest.....not showing up at all. Empty stands.

However give em your support during the game and at least you know you've done your bit and when the time comes and the atmosphere during the 90 changes because the situation is unacceptable then it will have all the more impact.

IMO new players trying and settling in, young players not being good enough but being picked due to a lack of options and a new manager performing crap but only 6mths in the role don't deserve to have the atmosphere sour in each game after a few mistakes. They are not to blame for the general mess the club is in for years. They are responsible for the current shocking run of form of course but for me this should be when the support gets even more behind them.

If they don't get better the manager will go and players will be gotten rid of, but in the meantime surely you want to do what you can during the game to get the win you are hoping for every time you go the game.

 

[Benedict]

It seems that we are in an endless cycle of hire and fire. We hire a manager, expectations are high, inevitably they go through a rough patch (i.e. hovering around mid table) and quickly face uproar and cries for the axe

Expectations are higher than they used to be. Moyes wouldn't have achieved what he did in later years without being given time early on to find his feet. Yes, the money is now there, but the Premier League is tough and it's very difficult to deliver top 6 instantly. Also, it's hard for us to attract a top, top manager. There needs to come a point where we back someone through the peaks and troughs, to incrementally strengthen our position. Perhaps then, in time, we will be able to attract world class

Re the Everton fanbase - there seems to be a somewhat toxic culture. 'Fans' like to go along to games, sit back with no accountability themselves and then happily rip into any perceived shortcomings of the team on the pitch, often with no real thought the the big picture, what's really going on and whether 'carrot' or 'stick' will be most effective

Player psychology is a massive part of football and hugely important. Whether players play with confidence or fear makes the world of difference. Unrealistic fan expectations / trigger happy approach to criticism has the potential to instill fear into the manager and team

I believe the focus needs to be turned on to the fans themselves. The team are training incredibly hard every day in a professional way, driving for 1% gains. But it seems there is massive potential for efficiency gains in the way fans contribute to Everton's success - at least a 50% gain. Fans contribution to positive player psychology could be the difference between an upward spiral and a downward spiral - intelligent support could really have some effect on results, giving players that bit extra when playing at Goodison

I'm not sure exactly how this should be executed, but the Everton fanbase leaders should really consider it. Whoever runs this forum can see all the negative threads on here and the patterns over time of slagging off these expensive and previously successful international players who have been brought to the club. But none of this has any positive effect on results. If fans put more thought into how every action they take can contribute to positive player psychology and in turn results, as the manager and players are doing, this can only help. In this age of social media, the fanbase leaders should be able to reach out more widely to build a strategic and educated approach amongst the fans at large

This would be pioneering as I'm not sure how many other teams are trying to optimise fan contribution at the moment or looking at the correlation between fanbase culture and success. You can certainly see it in international football - where at times smaller nations with great team spirit and lower expectations play with much more confidence and positivity...

Now that Everton has greater resources, an intelligent army of fans behind the team could help unlock the potential...

Where do you sit at the match, what part of the ground?

 

[ArtetaMoney]

I choose to remain silent, seething in righteous indignation.

It`s much more satisfying then booing.

You’re not allowed to that though, this is why the team are playing so badly. Every misplaced pass, every mistimed challenge that results in us conceding from th poor defending, every goal kick booted straight out of play. These all need to be responded to with applause and encouragement, otherwise it upsets the players and makes them play worse.

 

[deipnosophist]

We're all exhausted and exasperated by Everton's consistency in being spinelessly useless.
The only part of Everton I find enjoyable is the laughs I get from GOT.

 

[chrismpw]

You’re not allowed to that though, this is why the team are playing so badly. Every misplaced pass, every mistimed challenge that results in us conceding from th poor defending, every goal kick booted straight out of play. These all need to be responded to with applause and encouragement, otherwise it upsets the players and makes them play worse.

Glad you recognise this.

It shouldn't, it really shouldn't, they're paid a lot of money, but it does, so we should remain positive. It's the only thing the crowd can do that will help, unless you can think up something nobody else has yet? Please do!
I don't like where we are.

 

[zzr45]

Glad you recognise this.

It shouldn't, it really shouldn't, they're paid a lot of money, but it does, so we should remain positive. It's the only thing the crowd can do that will help, unless you can think up something nobody else has yet? Please do!
I don't like where we are.

No it doesn’t.

 

[chrismpw]

No it doesn’t.

Well i take my hat off to your compelling and erudite reasoning!

 

[PhilRegan]

Do what you like, mate. I'm just suggesting that support and encouragement, albeit through gritted teeth, will give a better outcome than getting into their backs.

I will do and thank you for the insight.

 

[bicycleheader]

You’re not allowed to that though, this is why the team are playing so badly. Every misplaced pass, every mistimed challenge that results in us conceding from th poor defending, every goal kick booted straight out of play. These all need to be responded to with applause and encouragement, otherwise it upsets the players and makes them play worse.

That's fine, but what purpose does your opposite action serve?

Is the end goal for all not a win?

Not being sarcy, honestly without just dismissing any criticism or opinion on it whats the point of putting the boot into a player during the game like screaming at Davies when he makes an arse out of another attempted tackle and they run past him? He is young, a fan of the team and does try even if not up to scratch. He doesn't pick himself. I don't see the logic of it when what you want is them to do well and win.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Ahhh, those poor little players getting all upset, and not being able to win because our naughty fans aren't cheering them on, sigh....

 

[zzr45]

Well i take my hat off to your compelling and erudite reasoning!

I refer you to https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/...-the-teams-success.106279/page-8#post-6838446 for my reasoning.

Completely agree with what you wrote on the first page with regards to youth football. But it’s the same as the 12th man effect being imported in from American Football to our game, contextually it just isn’t the same. The problems kids have of mental discipline, self image, ego and social standing just aren’t applicable to professional players. So as much as the ‘don’t be a d*ck’ rule applies in youth sport, in professional sport it’s not really applicable.

 

[Lanolin]

That's fine, but what purpose does your opposite action serve?

Is the end goal for all not a win?

Not being sarcy, honestly without just dismissing any criticism or opinion on it whats the point of putting the boot into a player during the game like screaming at Davies when he makes an arse out of another attempted tackle and they run past him? He is young, a fan of the team and does try even if not up to scratch. He doesn't pick himself. I don't see the logic of it when what you want is them to do well and win.

It's not necessarily an opposite action though to be fair. The post you were replying to referenced staying silent, which isn't really the opposite of giving encouragement. I don't agree with booing and heckling and the general abuse of individuals regardless of how they play, but much of what people are talking about in here is just every day moaning and groaning.

It's not easy to just politely clap the 30th misplaced pass your central midfielder has played when you're chasing a goal, there will inevitably be howls of frustration. It's like dealing with your kids in a way, the first couple of times they do something wrong you calmly say 'Don't do that please buddy' but when they do it for the 10th time you're shouting 'HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I GOT TO TELL YOU you horrible freeloading little tw…' sorry I've lost my train of thought. Anyway, it's just human nature.