Everton Brands Appointment Confirmed

[toffeejack]

Brands certainly needs to address the CF and RB positions however Moshiri needs to give him the money.

I feel it will be go with what we've got until next summer sadly.

Think it'll be more because there'll be better value for money. If we're 8th in Jan and way off top 4 there'd be no need in doing another tosun and just bringing in another £30m striker. It would be better to do a few months more scouting and get a proper long term striker in the summer tbf.

Mosh has always backed us.

 

[bcblue1878]

We are talking about two guys there that have played for the club for years. Jags is a legend at this club. Mirallas, despite being out of favour these days has certainly contributed to good times in the past. Richarlison has been brilliant so far but its a bit early doors yet - he had a great start for Watford and then disappeared. Hopefully he wont here and the signs look good but I want to see this level continue all year.
Personally I don't rate Zouma, he was shipped out of Chelsea and got relegated last season. Granted Jags is getting on now but his experience will be crucial in an otherwise fairly green defence.

No no and no again!

It is nonsense to suggest or even think that Zouma isn't an improvement on the Jags of the last three years or so. I'm not sure Jags will ever be known as a "legend" here, he was a cracking player when he joined and was a good reliable centre half until about three years ago when he started to lose a bit of his pace! As for his experience being crucial - possibly in and around the dressing room yes but not on the pitch. Barring injuries I would think at this moment in time he is fifth choice behind Keane, Zouma, Mina and probably Holgate!

Likewise it is nonsense to say that Richarlison is "probably" an improvement on Mirallas, when despite it being early days he quite clearly is! Kevin Mirallas was undoubtably one of the most exciting players to watch here for a while, but since the day he snatched that ball off Baines to take the penalty against West Brom in 2015 his attitude and perdformances were poor, almost as though he was looking to get out!

Sentimentality in PL football gets you knowhere, and just because they have played for the club for years and contributed to good times in the past doesnt mean they shouldn't be now upgraded and ultimately replaced!

Arguably it should have happened two years ago!

 

[davek]

based on what? cenk had a decent goal return in the last few months when he was played, again we do need a new striker but in no way was it urgent.

a new CB/LB now that WAS urgent

For anyone with any sort of football acumen they could see he was nowhere near the lethal predator we had in Lukaku...and even playing DCL AND Tosun wouldn't have made up for it.

 

[davek]

His positioning and reading danger is better than anyone we’ve had since Jags in his pomp.

If you thik Zouma is a major leap forward then that underlines one thing to me: just how terrible we've been in that position for years.

I dont think he's a duffer, but I dont think he's one of those no-brainer signings that you say automatically "put him into the category marked 'unreservedly a. success'"

 

[bcblue1878]

His " flip flopping " today, has been first class.

He`d make a great politician lol

Can you imagine - one day a Tory, the next a Corbynite, then next a Lib Dem with a bit of Sturgeon thrown in! He'd argue black was white as long as it got him clicks/votes!

 

[davek]

We finished last season having conceded 58 goals and still had Jagielka and Baines as regular starters, of course the defence was a priority.

It was the prime objective, yes. But not the only objective. How could it when we saw what Koemageddon did in the previous summer: leading us into that season with the infamous pop gun attack? That issue was still unresolved. Tosun's performances after January underlined that it was still unresolved.

But hey, look, I get it: you and others think Brands was ok to allow to a later date the sorting out of a worthy successor to Lukaku.

 

[evertonarntwe]

For anyone with any sort of football acumen they could see he was nowhere near the lethal predator we had in Lukaku...and even playing DCL AND Tosun wouldn't have made up for it.

of course he wasn't lukaku, name a player as good as lukaku we could currently get? but he done a decent job

dave you cannot seem to grasp I agree we need a striker but you are wrong that is was urgent, tosun isn't a world beater but he can hold his own in this league, players like baines Williams jags bolasie who we needed urgent replacements for where liabilities every single game they played, that's a massive difference

 

[davek]

His " flip flopping " today, has been first class.

He`d make a great politician lol

Not sure where the flip flopping comes in, tbh. We needed CBs? Yes. We needed an attacker to lead the line and get a lot of goals? Yes. However only one area was given serious attnetion.

That's incompetence....or maybe you and others think Silva preferred to go into the season with a load of tat up front and needing to start his wide left player as the main attacking outlet?

 

[davek]

Ultimately though, I think Tosun has been given the same sort of pass for the time being. He was a ~30 mil signing who got 5 in 12 so I think it literally was just a case of let's see how he is after a full preseason under a new manager who wants us to play actual football.

I think come January there'll be an assessment of how much Tosun has found the net, but even then we found last year getting in a top striker in January is difficult. I imagine we're just gonna persist with sharing the goals throughout the front 4 and get a new striker in next summer.

I certainly hope so. IMO we've dropped about 8/9 points so far because we have no attacking cutting edge. We could and should be top 5/6 now.

 

[davek]

I do not agree Dave that there has been a failure, what evidence do you have? For me there might have been attempts but the fee wanted and wages wanted may well have been OTT. Do not think there should be blind condemnation with out facts to support the assumption.

That's just another way of saying "they failed". Or, more precisely, Brands did.

 

[Yarrgh]

Richarlison is a Silva signing. Obviously.
Bernard - jury still out. I dont think he looks clinical at all. I'm rooting for him though.
Zouma = barely an upgrade on Jagielka.
Gomes - way too early to see what he brings.
Mina we have no idea.

Omission of Lucas Digne means you think he is a success so far?
Whilst I am far more positive about the others, Mina excluded as you say -no idea, I can't help but think that Zouma is a huge upgrade on Jagielka. If Jags was in that team, we'd be still frantically trying to grab a paddle whilst we floated up Koeman Creek.

 

[davek]

Omission of Lucas Digne means you think he is a success so far?
Whilst I am far more positive about the others, Mina excluded as you say -no idea, I can't help but think that Zouma is a huge upgrade on Jagielka. If Jags was in that team, we'd be still frantically trying to grab a paddle whilst we floated up Koeman Creek.

Of course. The only one you could say so far unreservedly.

 

[ClausThomsen]

That's just another way of saying "they failed". Or, more precisely, Brands did.

That suggests that any transfer deal that fell through was entirely down to Brands / Everton's incompetence. There's more than one side to any negotiation and as @Toffeelover says it's a bit unfair to condemn without facts.

If a deal isn't right it's not a failure to withdraw from it or go back another time. Without knowing the details of these hypothetical failures it's impossible to make a judgement. For instance, was not throwing more money at a deal for Tierney and the decision instead to get Digne a failure?

 

[Brisan123]

Not sure where the flip flopping comes in, tbh. We needed CBs? Yes. We needed an attacker to lead the line and get a lot of goals? Yes. However only one area was given serious attnetion.

That's incompetence....or maybe you and others think Silva preferred to go into the season with a load of tat up front and needing to start his wide left player as the main attacking outlet?

Dave we needed
2 CB
A LB
2 Wingers
A box to box midfielder
A Back up goalkeeper
A top quality CF
Brands / Silva obviously set out their priorities and got most if not all that was required
It’s fairly obvious that the carpetbagger wouldn’t give them the money to get everything on their wish list and that’s not their fault
I’m sure if the Iranian fraud had given them another 50/60 m on top of the 80/90 they spent ruining the transfer market they would have got a CF

 

[davek]

That suggests that any transfer deal that fell through was entirely down to Brands / Everton's incompetence. There's more than one side to any negotiation and as @Toffeelover says it's a bit unfair to condemn without facts.

If a deal isn't right it's not a failure to withdraw from it or go back another time. Without knowing the details of these hypothetical failures it's impossible to make a judgement. For instance, was not throwing more money at a deal for Tierney and the decision instead to get Digne a failure?

If we're left to play a winger in attack then that's failure. He had enough run up to the summer and appraisal time on players. He believed Tosun was going to do a job.

That to me is a gross miscalculation that I dont think a DoF can make without criticism.