Everton Are A Soft Touch

[Zatara]

Just seen a great interview from someone from Everton TV who says Everton have become soft.

Couldn’t agree more.

Summed up by Sunday’s events where our Captain is consoling an opposition player... a player who has just committed a very cynical and dangerous tackle on one of our own resulting in a very serious injury.

We have a manager who is so meek and feeble it’s a wonder he can get through a day.

We have a chairman and a board who allow the club to get walked all over time after time without saying a dicky bird. Poor refereeing and VAR decisions... getting ripped off in the transfer market...not sticking up for our own.

Enough is enough!

Grow a pair Everton!!

You have no idea what happens behind closed doors with Silva, Brands, Moshiri, Kenwright or even Boa Morte and Ferguson.

Theres been a few times where the club has complained in private in the past and nothing has come of it.

The only way to not be "bullied" is to have a number of players who are absolute generals and warriors like a Roy Keane, Tony Adams, John Terry, Dave Watson etc.

Ive not yet commented on Coleman going over to console Son but would any of the named players above do that? Would they heck!

We have some players who "know what theyre doing" in Mina, Digne, Gones, Richarlison...what we need now is a couple of true leaders and top players signed, and im not talking about Fabian Delph lol

Recently Digne, Sigurdsson, Davies, Coleman, Baines, Jagielka have been named as captains.

Just from watching the games i dont see they hold a candle to premier league winning captains in terms of leadership.

The problem we have is...where do you find someone like that?

 

[Rudolf Hucker]

Well that's my question. How? What are they doing that Everton aren't? In real, measurable actions rather than "Bang the table and shout!" type nonsense.

We’re not paid to have those answers. I just pay for my ST year in year out & witness the serial underachievement.

Give examples.

Proper examples, not stuff from the "big boys".

This being pushed around stuff is weird. What exactly are we appealing here?

30 years of underachievement. Isn’t that enough?


Look, if you guys are happy with the way the club is run, good luck to you. That’s your prerogative.

 

[diggerdestroyer]

I think we all get that though and feel the same frustration.

Putting it on the board or whoever though is mad.

After the past few weeks it should automatically kick in.

True but i cant see it. It's like a false show if passion. I've seen it in teams before and then end up in trouble. I call it shadow body passion/aggression. Players like Morgan snides sum our team up. Ull never see him go in hard for a 50 50 but yet will pick up yellows sliding in from behind. Looks like a tackle but it not the one we need to win. I don't think there is a better match to look at this than away to saints. Its winnable. But u need to show intensity and aggression for 90 mins. Not for last 15 mins when we go behind and snatch a draw and clap ourselves on the back for a great comeback. Shadow boxing rubbish.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

We’re not paid to have those answers. I just pay for my ST year in year out & witness the serial underachievement.






30 years of underachievement. Isn’t that enough?


Look, if you guys are happy with the way the club is run, good luck to you. That’s your prerogative.

But all you're doing is complaining then saying "not my problem pal" when asked to come up with a solution.

The board are soft and getting pushed around... But how you cannot say. Nor what to do about it. The board should solve that. But they're useless so they won't. So you'll keep complaining.

 

[toffee-L]

I feel anyone beating Coleman or Silva with a stick about what they either said or didn't say in the immediate aftermath of Gomes' injury is taking a legitimate argument about Everton being a soft touch to a totally ridiculous level.

Take Seamus Coleman as an example, he was the victim of an absolutely brutal, bordering on criminal tackle, that put him out for a very long time. He knows better than any of you when someone deserves all the stick they get for a brutal challenge and when some leeway should be provided for what appears to be an accident, very poor judgement of course, but an accident nonetheless. Coleman also knows that despite being the victim of a dreadful tackle, you're never too far away from dishing out a dreadful one yourself, as he did against Erik Pieters only a few games ago. If you're gonna slaughter someone for a bad challenge, you best be prepared to walk a tightrope of never inflicting any pain on a fellow pro for the rest of your career - because if you do, then you're a hypocrite. In the immediate aftermath, I posted about Gomes' very poor stamp on Alexander Mitrovic last season, which like Son's challenge was petulant and appeared to be some form of getting his own back. Bad challenges happen in football and deliberate fouls happen all the time. There is a time and a place to moan about bad tackles but in the immediate aftermath of seeing your teammate get crocked, by a challenge that virtually nobody has seen frame by frame to show the exact moment the break happened due to Sky not showing a replay (meaning there was a large degree of confusion just after the game about how it actually happened) - asking Coleman to slaughter Son is pretty ridiculous in my opinion.

As for Silva and the talk about VAR, here's what he said after the match: "I don't know why they needed two or three minutes and then decided what they decided," the Portuguese boss said. He also added in his post match interview that he was: "100% sure what happened". To my mind at the time, he meant that he all decisions that were checked were obvious (Son dived and should have been booked and the Alli handball was a stonewall penalty) - and he couldn't understand why both decisions needed to be checked for over 3 minutes because each one was obvious on first viewing. Yes he could have been stronger in his rebuttal, but a lot of you are going on like he said nothing about the incidents at all, which just isn't true.

By all means, give Everton stick for being a bunch of wet flannels when it's actually justified, like when Mosh called James Mccarthy "part of the Everton family" - but I really think that this has been a huge overreaction to what actually occurred after the game on Sunday.

 

[Rooney_Tunes]

If we had a captain who screamed at the ref we would get more decisions going our way!!!

Klopp and his players do it all the time and look how many times they have the 40/60 decisions go their way.

 

[Papa Shango]

Klopp and his players do it all the time and look how many times they have the 40/60 decisions go their way.

1=20

The answer can not be to be them.

 

[witchdoc187]

We should be winning the premier league like we always do. NSNO

 

[Papa Shango]

We’re not paid to have those answers. I just pay for my ST year in year out & witness the serial underachievement.

30 years of underachievement. Isn’t that enough?

Look, if you guys are happy with the way the club is run, good luck to you. That’s your prerogative.

This doesn't answer anything though. Our 30 years of underachievement are due to us not being very good. Its not down to fight or being a soft touch, Moyes and his teams were not soft touches generally, yet we still won nothing.

We have done nothing for 30 years because we have not been good enough talent wise.

 

[mahermi1]

Got to hand it to Spurs they played us like a violin, done that much whinging they ended up as the victims in this.
Brilliantly orchestrated, send out two players, both hoping Gomes is ok, mention how Song, can't lift his head up, distraught, what a nice guy Son is, Wouldn't harm a fly.
Few minutes later Poch is out much the same, also mention Spurs might appeal, hmmm.
While little old Everton, cap truly doffed, meekly say nothing, our captain is seen with others consoling Song, then apparently in their changing room doing the same.
All Well and good you say.
Next day red card rescinded, Song might even play tonight.
Whilst the true victim today comes out of hospital and its a long road back, hopefully a successful one.
Was it a red, I thought reconsider the incident previous, seconds before, did he mean to injure him, no chance in my view, but the damage was done, Son was reckless.
Even more the the challenge, the total lack of humility off Spurs, because what's a three game ban to a year out of the game ? Respect should have been shown by Spurs in my view. Now I know one or two posters will be licking their lips at the prospect of putting the boot into this post, let them, also sadly, one or two posters will have another chance of a wind up.....Do your worst.

 

[Lanolin]

Fascinating - and genuinely a bit scary - to see how some people view the world. The more you shout and the more aggressive you are, the better you are as a person, the more likely you are to be successful, and the more people see you as someone to follow. It explains a lot about why the world is in such a state.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Fascinating - and genuinely a bit scary - to see how some people view the world. The more you shout and the more aggressive you are, the better you are as a person, the more likely you are to be successful, and the more people see you as someone to follow. It explains a lot about why the world is in such a state.

Like I say, I've worked for at least 3 people like that. They are genuinely odd.

 

[Papa Shango]

Got to hand it to Spurs they played us like a violin, done that much whinging they ended up as the victims in this.
Brilliantly orchestrated, send out two players, both hoping Gomes is ok, mention how Song, can't lift his head up, distraught, what a nice guy Son is, Wouldn't harm a fly.
Few minutes later Poch is out much the same, also mention Spurs might appeal, hmmm.
While little old Everton, cap truly doffed, meekly say nothing, our captain is seen with others consoling Song, then apparently in their changing room doing the same.
All Well and good you say.
Next day red card rescinded, Song might even play tonight.
Whilst the true victim today comes out of hospital and its a long road back, hopefully a successful one.
Was it a red, I thought reconsider the incident previous, seconds before, did he mean to injure him, no chance in my view, but the damage was done, Son was reckless.
Even more the the challenge, the total lack of humility off Spurs, because what's a three game ban to a year out of the game ? Respect should have been shown by Spurs in my view. Now I know one or two posters will be licking their lips at the prospect of putting the boot into this post, let them, also sadly, one or two posters will have another chance of a wind up.....Do your worst.

The thing is, what do we want from this? The red card being rescinded is crap but it doesn't really effect us in any way. It wont bring Gomes back any quicker and why should other clubs benefit from our misery anyway?

I don't think there are any "victims" here. It was not an intentional leg break but I do agree that Spurs have been incredibly crass here. Just take the ban and get on with it.

 

[Papa Shango]

Fascinating - and genuinely a bit scary - to see how some people view the world. The more you shout and the more aggressive you are, the better you are as a person, the more likely you are to be successful, and the more people see you as someone to follow. It explains a lot about why the world is in such a state.

Lets get Brian Blessed in as our new manager.

 

[Tipp blue]

100% yes. The people who run this club would rather we be liked then be successful. Being well liked by other clubs is possibly one of the worst things you can be in the game, it means you're so unthreatening that nobody cares enough to hate you. Basically we're run by born losers who would have us just be bigger versions of Charlton or Fulham.

This is why we get trampled all over. It infects the club from top to bottom. No other club would of handled the Gomes and Son situation like we did. Our captain crawling into the Spurs changing room to play hung and kiss with the bellend who broken his teammates leg all because he shed a few crocodile tears. By doing that he handed Spurs all the ammunition they needed to make Son out to be the victim in all this and have Gomes almost be an afterthought. What has the club done since it happend? We've said almost nothing and been passive little cowards as usual. We deserve to be where we're with such a pathetic attitude and lack of spine.

Not even a response to Spurs tweet.