Everton and Martinez are to blame should Lukaku leave

[davek]

Don't get this affording managers time. Where does it come from? If you look back we change managers every 3-4 years. Moyes and Kendall were the exception rather than the rule.

Walter Smith was given 5!

 

[davek]

Are you saying that if the club was more ruthless, then Martinez wouldn't take over 3 years to sort himself out?

No.

 

[kithnou]

Walter Smith was given 5!

worked out well that did

 

[sageyefc]

We're talking in the context of whether we have a top 4 squad, and I can't look at Coleman and Baines and say they can't play to that standard.

On their good days yes

 

[davek]

worked out well that did

..point is he was given time. Time was given to HK and look what happened.

 

[tommye]

Isn't this just another Martinez thread?


Do we need another one?

same arguments and round and round in circles point scoring....


https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/...discussion-including-live-poll.83793/page-904

 

[kithnou]

..point is he was given time. Time was given to HK and look what happened.

Mentioning HK alongside all the Everton Manager's that failed but were given time is hardly going to convince anyone mate. And once again you are failing to understand that it isn't just the onfield dross we are witnessing that is turning fans against him. It is also the condescending fluffity fluff he is giving the fans on a regular basis...treating them as morons.

 

[kithnou]

Isn't this just another Martinez thread?


Do we need another one?

same arguments and round and round in circles point scoring....


https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/...discussion-including-live-poll.83793/page-904

any mention of Martinez in the thread's title is basically Dave's thread for me

 

[davek]

Mentioning HK alongside all the Everton Manager's that failed but were given time is hardly going to convince anyone mate. And once again you are failing to understand that it isn't just the onfield dross we are witnessing that is turning fans against him. It is also the condescending fluffity fluff he is giving the fans on a regular basis...treating them as morons.

*sigh*

 

[dandydan]

Accountability for what exactly? For using the pre-Moshiri levels of squad investment to get us a record PL points total and to a point in both cups where we've never been in one season for a couple of decades, for playing in an 'ambitious' manner and scoring bags of open play goals, for using his influence to sign and bring through some of the best talent we've had for years?

Accountability for losing games despite scoring loads from open play?

 

[davek]

Accountability for losing games despite scoring loads from open play?

Yes, accountable for that.

That hardly balances cons out with the pros mentioned.

 

[tommye]

any mention of Martinez in the thread's title is basically Dave's thread for me

I was just wondering how many threads we actually need basically going round and round in the same circles, with the same posters and the same arguments, day after day after day after day....

*repeat ad infinitum

 

[kithnou]

*sigh*

have a hug mate

 

[kithnou]

I was just wondering how many threads we actually need basically going round and round in the same circles, with the same posters and the same arguments, day after day after day after day....

*repeat ad infinitum

any that have Martinez in the thread title basically
Oh. Hi mate,

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

I was just wondering how many threads we actually need basically going round and round in the same circles, with the same posters and the same arguments, day after day after day after day....

*repeat ad infinitum

Spot on mate. I've mentioned it before, but Martinez at the moment isn't going anywhere, so the argument might as wait till the end of the season, also, it would do wonders for the health of some of the lads on here as well.