Match Thread Everton 0-1 Manchester United - Monday 23rd February 20:00

[evertony]

Get rid of both forwards in the summer. Sorry but Barry lots of times is behind the defender when the ball comes to him. Granted sometimes his touch is decent. He’s no threat in the box though. I would have kept a clean sheet tonight playing against our forwards. Also creativity is a problem but our forwards offer zero for movement and bullying.

Barry isn't the issue. Put Haaland and MBappe in this managers set-up and they'd be lucky to get 10 a season between them. Moyes' teams are not set up to score goals. Its don't lose at any cost...and then lose. He was like it for a good percentage of his first stint and he's not changed one bit. Dour, negative and boring the life out of us the majority of the time. Getting home as 12.30am with a 5.15am start after watching the same old tripe served up isn't much fun. United are very mediocre and we had every opportunity to go after them - he just doesn't play that way unfortunately. Our home form isn't fiction....playing away suits the sit-back, soak up pressure and hope for a moment from Grealish/Ndiaye/Beto format. Any other Club would be hauling their manager in and telling him he's got 2 more home games to sort this crap out.

 

[Thesouthallarms]

Barry isn't the issue. Put Haaland and MBappe in this managers set-up and they'd be lucky to get 10 a season between them. Moyes' teams are not set up to score goals. Its don't lose at any cost...and then lose. He was like it for a good percentage of his first stint and he's not changed one bit. Dour, negative and boring the life out of us the majority of the time. Getting home as 12.30am with a 5.15am start after watching the same old tripe served up isn't much fun. United are very mediocre and we had every opportunity to go after them - he just doesn't play that way unfortunately. Our home form isn't fiction....playing away suits the sit-back, soak up pressure and hope for a moment from Grealish/Ndiaye/Beto format. Any other Club would be hauling their manager in and telling him he's got 2 more home games to sort this crap out.

Disagree Barry is no where near the level we need , if he upped his physicality he could get there he just looks like a little boy against premier league defenders , just don’t get the recruitment at all not what moyes looks for in a striker

 

[evertony]

Just dealing with everything we put into the box catching everything making it all look easy

When the quality of the corners and free-kicks are as poor as they are and the same player takes around 85% of them it makes things relatively simple for the opposition to be fair. Garner has taken around 70 corners this season (not to mention the free-kicks) and the goal return from them is eye-bleaching.

 

[evertony]

Disagree Barry is no where near the level we need , if he upped his physicality he could get there he just looks like a little boy against premier league defenders , just don’t get the recruitment at all not what moyes looks for in a striker

He's the level that will come here as they see how we play. If you're a top striker, or one with high potential you're not likely to relish having a ball pumped at you at 60mph by a lumbering centre-back with 3-4 defenders around you because nobody else gets within 20-30yds of you. It's really not rocket science.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Barry isn't the issue. Put Haaland and MBappe in this managers set-up and they'd be lucky to get 10 a season between them. Moyes' teams are not set up to score goals. Its don't lose at any cost...and then lose. He was like it for a good percentage of his first stint and he's not changed one bit. Dour, negative and boring the life out of us the majority of the time. Getting home as 12.30am with a 5.15am start after watching the same old tripe served up isn't much fun. United are very mediocre and we had every opportunity to go after them - he just doesn't play that way unfortunately. Our home form isn't fiction....playing away suits the sit-back, soak up pressure and hope for a moment from Grealish/Ndiaye/Beto format. Any other Club would be hauling their manager in and telling him he's got 2 more home games to sort this crap out.

The style and system are not good but Barry isn't very good either.

 

[evertony]

This. Our wide forwards are so isolated when going forward. They need to single handedly beat three players to get the ball into the box. It’s no wonder we never looked like scoring last night.

And when they get the ball in the box there's Barry on his own with 4-5 defenders for company.

 

[evertony]

The style and system are not good but Barry isn't very good either.

Top and bottom of it is Everton aren't very good and at every other club in the country the change that's made to remedy that is replacing the fella who oversees it all week, provides the gameplan and coaches the players accordingly. Shake his hand, give him his taxi fare to Celtic in May and move on.

 

[evertony]

We huffed and puffed but got nowhere.
Gave the ball away too easily.
Referee was appalling
Lack of pace kills us.
Some players belief in their ability doesn't quite match reality.
The corners were incredulous

The Everton Way.
We've been exactly like that for about 90% of the last 40 years.

 

[Thesouthallarms]

He's the level that will come here as they see how we play. If you're a top striker, or one with high potential you're not likely to relish having a ball pumped at you at 60mph by a lumbering centre-back with 3-4 defenders around you because nobody else gets within 20-30yds of you. It's really not rocket science.

Agreed where not playing to his strengths , he just hasn’t showed anything has he let’s be honest

When the quality of the corners and free-kicks are as poor as they are and the same player takes around 85% of them it makes things relatively simple for the opposition to be fair. Garner has taken around 70 corners this season (not to mention the free-kicks) and the goal return from them is eye-bleaching.j

Corners right on top of you with 4 five groks competing with you for the ball is difficult no matter which way you looked at it I think they have bought a top keeper personally

 

[davids]

An interesting game.

First half was 2 teams set up in similar ways. Get back behind the ball when possession lost and try to break us down. Neither team could.

Second half, thought we opened up a bit and created chances. One opportunity taken by them was the only real big difference between the 2 sides.

Draw would have been the fair result.

If you look that way at games then there have been so many this season when a defeat would have been the fair result.

 

[Roger Milla]

Sure. Moyes is a cautious manager. He has always been a cautious manager so it should be no surprise to anyone that he is still a cautious manager.

His first instinct is to put out a team that has the least chance of losing. He has always done this, this also shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.

We don't have a very good team. We have a small squad. Most of the squad are more used to relegation battles than challenging for Europe. They have been very succesful at that for the last few years, but they have not been very succesful at dominating and winning games.

So when a cautious manager has very few top players at his disposal, and most of those players are able to battle hard but not very good at dominating teams, then it would be rather foolish to suggest that he ignores all of those factors and goes out against a team that are currently in a great vein of form and try to play them off the park.

We had our best DCM at RB with a RB on the bench and Gana in midfield who's been crap all season, our best CB at LB with a LB on the bench and 2 crap CBs playing at CB. In what world does this give us the best chance of not losing? And how did it go for us last night and at many other home games?

 

[Pootsy]

Barrys lack of intelligence/Lack of overlaping fullbacks/Lack of creativity

Same old same old. What we're seeing is this season petering out. Obviously we are still in a better position than the last 5 seasons but it still feels like we could have pushed on if we'd found suitable deals in the Jan transfer window.

 

[wandyr79]

Barry isn't the issue. Put Haaland and MBappe in this managers set-up and they'd be lucky to get 10 a season between them. Moyes' teams are not set up to score goals. Its don't lose at any cost...and then lose. He was like it for a good percentage of his first stint and he's not changed one bit. Dour, negative and boring the life out of us the majority of the time. Getting home as 12.30am with a 5.15am start after watching the same old tripe served up isn't much fun. United are very mediocre and we had every opportunity to go after them - he just doesn't play that way unfortunately. Our home form isn't fiction....playing away suits the sit-back, soak up pressure and hope for a moment from Grealish/Ndiaye/Beto format. Any other Club would be hauling their manager in and telling him he's got 2 more home games to sort this crap out.

Disagree massively with this. A striker with better movement will allow our players to create more chances. Barry seems to be on his heels more often than not.

In terms of last night, yes Utd are not the force they were 15 years ago, but I would not call them mediocre at all. They are also on a confidence boost, similar to us last year. With a manager that brings in a whole new attitude and is a bit of a breath of fresh air to the players and fans alike.

It was a game that could have gone either way. There was not a big difference between the 2 teams.

 

[wandyr79]

If you look that way at games then there have been so many this season when a defeat would have been the fair result.

Apologies, I am not sure I understand the point?

Last night there was not much between the teams, so a draw would have been seen as a fair result.

 

[f.t.r.s]

Can someone explain to me how this is a foul by tarkowski?

You're allowed to stand your ground,
Both utd players are pushing/pulling him with both hands,

Why does the ref give them a chance to fix it?

Shouldn't matter if hes blown the whistle or not, that to me should be a penalty...

By that logic we can go two foot people off the ball because the balls not in play right?