Europa League Qualification Poll

[blue to the bone]

Yes...if Utd win the EL but are outside the top 4 in PL. (NB the lowest Utd can finish is 7th)
But if Utd finish in top 4 then 7th place had to go into qualifying round

Double edged sword so . If they don't finish in the top 4 the rs will . But if they do means our season starts early ..

 

[AsiaAsia82]

1st team in EL and Prem,
Unsy's Ultras in the League cup
Mix it up in the FA cup depending on the draw until the last couple of rounds.

Just need to buy (net) 5 more decent players in various positions (but not centre mid)

Easy jet here we come

 

[Ring master]

Saints lost 4 - 2 tonight so they can't catch us

I know that lol,but officially and though it wont happen unless a mightly big screw up and massive turn of goals for both, they could lol we all know its not official untill points wise it cant happen by the so called league experts etc,but in real terms we have been in europa league for few weeks,its just were we were going to start stage wise

 

[Huyton Layne]

Brom can still mathematically catch us. 5 games left for them 14 points difference. Soton only can draw level with us but would need to overturn about 30 goal differential.

 

[a bell maul]

Saints lost 4 - 2 tonight so they can't catch us

they can...but something extraordinary has to happen: we lose all our games, they win all theirs and a +28 goal diff is hurdled.
(NB I think such occurring is beyond even the worst 'Everton that' contemplation)

 

[a bell maul]

Double edged sword so . If they don't finish in the top 4 the rs will . But if they do means our season starts early ..

well, Arsenal might finish 7th.

 

[blue to the bone]

The

well, Arsenal might finish 7th.

They might. But unlikely

 

[barneygumble]

well, Arsenal might finish 7th.

And then win the FA Cup, and we'd be back to where we are now.

Oh and for anyone saying if united finish 5th, and go on and win the Europe, we'd still have to do the qualifiers... (I think).

See la liga 2015-16, I think Sevilla finished 5th won the Europa and the team who finished 7th still had qualifiers.

 

[a bell maul]

And then win the FA Cup, and we'd be back to where we are now.

Oh and for anyone saying if united finish 5th, and go on and win the Europe, we'd still have to do the qualifiers... (I think).

See la liga 2015-16, I think Sevilla finished 5th won the Europa and the team who finished 7th still had qualifiers.

yes, good point.

 

[ToffeeDan]

And then win the FA Cup, and we'd be back to where we are now.

Oh and for anyone saying if united finish 5th, and go on and win the Europe, we'd still have to do the qualifiers... (I think).

See la liga 2015-16, I think Sevilla finished 5th won the Europa and the team who finished 7th still had qualifiers.

Apparently not:

Check what happened in Spain this season - 4 plus Sevilla (EL winners, outside top 4) and 2 in Europa - both in Group Stages

Because the limit of teams allowed for England is 7 - ordinarily that's 4 CL and 3 Europa. If Man Utd finish outside top 4 and win Europa then it's exceptionally 5 + 2 (effectively this means that if United were outside the top 7 and won the Europa it would become 5 + 2 with "7th" missing out.

But if you look at Spain's entry for EL this season - Athletic Bilbao and Celta Vigo - they both entered in Group stage.

https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/qual2016.html

Had Sevilla not won the Europa League then Celta Vigo would have gone through the qualifiers. The current information for next season shows this difference with the final place into Q Rd 3

https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/qual2017.html

It's safe to say the CURRENT situation is:

Champions League
(League winners) 1 as Seed (pot 1, Group Stage)
CL 2 and 3 (ranked, Group stage)
CL 4 4th QR

Europa
FA Cup winners (if Arsenal win cup if not in top 4) - Group stage
League place - Group stage
League Cup winners (currently Man Utd)

Potential Variations:
1. United win Europa, Arsenal win FA Cup (not top 4) - CL becomes 5 with United into GS with only 2 places in Europa (Group stages)

Arsenal if Cup Winners
Next League place(s) eligible

2. United don't win Europa, Chelsea win cup

5th, 6th, 7th basically (the priority for all - where applicable - is Cup winners, 1st league place, 2nd league place, 3rd league place, League Cup winner if used, FA Cup runner-up place (if used).

So if we nab the last place we don't go to QR 3 if United win the Europa. If we finish in the league above the other qualifier (Arsenal if they don't win the FA Cup or United (not winning Europa) we go to the Group stages. It's less likely we'll get 6th but if we do we want Arsenal to lose the FA Cup final. If we finish 7th we want United to win the Europa.

 

[barneygumble]

Apparently not:

Check what happened in Spain this season - 4 plus Sevilla (EL winners, outside top 4) and 2 in Europa - both in Group Stages

Because the limit of teams allowed for England is 7 - ordinarily that's 4 CL and 3 Europa. If Man Utd finish outside top 4 and win Europa then it's exceptionally 5 + 2 (effectively this means that if United were outside the top 7 and won the Europa it would become 5 + 2 with "7th" missing out.

But if you look at Spain's entry for EL this season - Athletic Bilbao and Celta Vigo - they both entered in Group stage.

https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/qual2016.html

Had Sevilla not won the Europa League then Celta Vigo would have gone through the qualifiers. The current information for next season shows this difference with the final place into Q Rd 3

https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/qual2017.html

It's safe to say the CURRENT situation is:

Champions League
(League winners) 1 as Seed (pot 1, Group Stage)
CL 2 and 3 (ranked, Group stage)
CL 4 4th QR

Europa
FA Cup winners (if Arsenal win cup if not in top 4) - Group stage
League place - Group stage
League Cup winners (currently Man Utd)

Potential Variations:
1. United win Europa, Arsenal win FA Cup (not top 4) - CL becomes 5 with United into GS with only 2 places in Europa (Group stages)

Arsenal if Cup Winners
Next League place(s) eligible

2. United don't win Europa, Chelsea win cup

5th, 6th, 7th basically (the priority for all - where applicable - is Cup winners, 1st league place, 2nd league place, 3rd league place, League Cup winner if used, FA Cup runner-up place (if used).

So if we nab the last place we don't go to QR 3 if United win the Europa. If we finish in the league above the other qualifier (Arsenal if they don't win the FA Cup or United (not winning Europa) we go to the Group stages. It's less likely we'll get 6th but if we do we want Arsenal to lose the FA Cup final. If we finish 7th we want United to win the Europa.

Sorryfor sounding cynical, but didn't Sevilla finish 7th last season? The reason I referred to the season before last is because they did finish 5th.

Infact, I've just checked this,as I was curious, and last season, Athletic Bilbao, who finished 7th in 14-15, entered in the 3rd qualifying round, and faced Inter Baku, this despite Sevilla finishing 5th, and winning the Europa.

Obviously, if the rules have changed since then, that is fair enough. But they way I've interpreted it, is we need to finish 6th and hope if Arsenal don't win the cup if they're 7th, or we're definitely starting there.

 

[ToffeeDan]

Sorryfor sounding cynical, but didn't Sevilla finish 7th last season? The reason I referred to the season before last is because they did finish 5th.

Infact, I've just checked this,as I was curious, and last season, Athletic Bilbao, who finished 7th in 14-15, entered in the 3rd qualifying round, and faced Inter Baku, this despite Sevilla finishing 5th, and winning the Europa.

Obviously, if the rules have changed since then, that is fair enough. But they way I've interpreted it, is we need to finish 6th and hope if Arsenal don't win the cup if they're 7th, or we're definitely starting there.

Possibly so but you need to take heed of the situation where it's 5-2 (i.e. United win the Europa). If United win the Europa then we (assume) it's Arsenal and Everton OR Everton and Arsenal. If we finish 7th and United then win the EL we inherit the 2nd EL place which is DEFINITELY Group Stage precisely because England gets 2 Group Stage Europa places.

In fact when the league season is done it will be thus (assume we are 7th) and United are outside top 4.

1,2,3, CL Group, 4 CL 1 qualifier

Europa Group x 2 - E Qualifier (2 rounds)

First scenario United win and not top 4 - now 5 plus 2 with (say) Arsenal, Everton both group stage whoever wins FA Cup.

United lose EL final - remains 4+3 with league position critical (7th we go qualifiers)

FA Cup winner only matters to us if Arsenal finish below us and United don't win EL. If we were 6th and then Arsenal won FA Cup they take our Group stage place as FA Cup winner ranks higher.

 

[alanbuzz]

I fancy baku in July, better than bergen in february or Holland in december

 

[evertonarntwe]

would happily take an early start to the season if it means the RS didn't get in the champions league

 

[alanbuzz]

scrap that you need a visa for Azerbaijan but not for Kazakhstan so we'll have that