Why do you have such hate and anger in you Joe?
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Why do you have such hate and anger in you Joe?
Don't want them to fail, but its happenings no getting away from it.
Its a reaction by people across the Continent against what the EU has become.
The posters talking about it including myself have been going on about it for ages.
I don't take any delight in the average working person any were being worse off including those in the EU.
Its one of the reasons I wanted out .
You thought quite highly of the European patent court. That's the bulk of what the EU does, provide standards by which we can all operate according to. In a global world, we'll have to abide by these anyway, it doesn't mean we're any less 'sovereign'.
What has the EU become?
Mainly because the democratic vote of the EU in the UK has tried to be ignored in general as for lies no government in the UK would have never stayed in how many never ever achieved their manefestos?
I am not anti Europe for trade just a anti EU Polictical Parliment that is a waste of money on MEPs and it's upper unelected house we need to get out of ASAP IMO
And 17.5 million others!
No acceptance of defeat wanted may I say by the Brandson's and Geldolfs and the Cleggs, and Blairs of this country all in a tide to whip up for a result that they want , and did not get!
I do suffer from anger attacks apologies on that point!
It amazes me how many people confuse this.
Noone or hardly anyone is saying we are anti Europe. I'm delighted to be part of Europe as a continent and want to have great interactions with the other countries. I just want to get out of an over centralised and over bureaucratic institution (as I see it) in the EU
As a trading block with European countries no problems bailing out poorer ones no!
The myth about 50 million customers is not correct our imports from the EU are expected to fall to 35 percent!
A decent basic idea that has been hijacked and become a tool to rob the Masses of a secure and decent living at the alter of globalisation, with neo liberal elite ruling by default because nobody would vote for there views if it was offerd to them on a ballot paper or in short a massive con job that is only now been seen for what it really is
peteblue
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It's more about what it wishes to become and for who's benefit......
To be fair I don't think we can blame the EU alone for neo-liberal globalisation (though it is certainly entrenched in that system), though it will certainly be easier to move to a different political and economic system outside the EU (not that I am expecting that to happen in a hurry with Boris, May etc in charge)
No its not alone on that front, as you say May and co are part of it as well, but we can get rid of them at some point and at the end of the day they have to face the electorate to answer for the actions.
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The basic economics is that we as a nation of 60 million people purchase more goods from Europe than we sell to a market of 500 million. If we focused on the opportunities to expand our share of the Single Market rather than economic growth rates we'd realise that Europe is a massively under-exploited market for the Brits.
We are infinitely stronger in Europe and focusing on capturing more market share than we ever will be cast adrift in an increasingly protectionist global market place.
The Esk
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Not only are there standards which adherence to increases trade and opportunity but critically if the UK is not part of the European Patent Court that has huge implications for developing technology in terms of the intellectual property rights. Simply development capital will focus on inside the jurisdiction of Patent Court not outside it.
I remember when we had the British kite mark of high standard goods we do not need a Polictical or legal jurisdiction from the EU what's that got to do with free trade when we are at least 8.5 billion net loss each year?
For all your benefits you post we are in a financial loss besides free movement without employment or in work benefits from EU immigration which is totally uncontrolled!
What wrong in controlling the borders of our country on a working visa system?
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peteblue
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Not quite. The EPO is in effect a regional Patent Office covering all Eu countries. Anyone outside of the EPO would also apply to the EPO for patents via the Patent Cooperation Treaty. It will make no difference in application nor the granting of a patent. In respect of trademarks, designs, and copyright, similarly we would just go through the normal bodies that we are already signed up to, both in Europe and Internationally.The only issue is the one Bruce raised about the fact that initially the EPO would be in the UK before it moves.
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