Current Affairs EU In or Out

[peteblue]

This ^ and a bag of Monster Munch

The alternative to single market access is what exactly @peteblue @Joey66 ? and how does this alternative purport to be able to create ongoing growth in our GDP in the next decade?

In your own time lads....

What would be the point. I replied to Tubey that nothing is a fact until negotiations complete. That is the only fact. You just completely ignored that point and keep repeating the same mantra, which no matter what is typed will remain the same.....

 

[Joey66]

It's quite clear, we should never had a referendum in the first place as shown by no plan to trigger article 50.

We should have another vote next year on the basis the leave group have an actual plan in place.

Also, the voting system needs to change for this referendum. 18-30 years of age people get a total of 4 votes as they will have to endure the result of the vote for the longest period of time.

31-45 years of age get three votes.

46-60 years of age get two votes

61 years of age and above gets one vote.

lollollol
why dont you keep on voting till you get the result that you particularly want - it was democrcy agreed by our sovereign parliment oh and you lost!

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

Don't mean to flog a dead horse, but we had an advisory referendum which the government is free to act on as it chooses.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...g-what-Article-50-legal-process-Britain-leave

I would suggest that we trigger the article, negotiate the best deal possible with a view to leaving, and then call a referendum. If the verdict is the same, leave the next day.

 

[peteblue]

For someone who shouts democracy at every opportunity what's your issue with giving the nation a chance to review its choice, when the actual choice is made apparent?

Well, if we now tell the world that we will have a second referendum, following on from demands to tell the world our negotiating strategy, what would be the point of negotiating. You would have just given the other side everything they want to know, plus the incentive to come up with a lose/lose proposal if they want to keep the Uk in the EU by scaring the voters in the knowledge that they have a second vote. Gross stupidity doesn't go far enough to describe this approach. Do you understand it now.......

 

[Moomin]

lollollol
why dont you keep on voting till you get the result that you particularly want - it was democrcy agreed by our sovereign parliment oh and you lost!

I voted leave, but they never had a plan to action it.

I'll be voting remain in the next referendum. When we have great former Prime Ministers like Tony Blair saying we should remain we should take note.

 

[Joey66]

I voted leave, but they never had a plan to action it.

I'll be voting remain in the next referendum. When we have great former Prime Ministers like Tony Blair saying we should remain we should take note.

lol
wumed

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

What would be the point. I replied to Tubey that nothing is a fact until negotiations complete. That is the only fact. You just completely ignored that point and keep repeating the same mantra, which no matter what is typed will remain the same.....

The point would be, that the alternative to losing our single market access is what?

What choice are we facing, if they reach an impasse on our continued access?

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Believe or not I voted twice to join the common market the U.K. Had the infrastructure to trade Worldwide so we did ok we had commonwealth immigration no problems we had sea ports for exports and imports we had a fishing industry.
I did not vote to be governed from Brussels only in the last referendum the experts predicted gloom and doom as soon as an OUT vote was passed Tim Farron is making himself look a right idiot now on QT booed in fact- the experts are saying it's the last ten years we have gone backwards the time we have been in the EU by the way -rich greedy bankers ruined the last ten years corporate businesses favour the EU the complainants are mainly big business apart from JCB - Free trade with the world every country uses the EU single market apart from Belarhus, if thus government can't deliver Brexit on the timetable then yes a GE would be the best option IMO!

None of which answers the simple question I posed Joey.

 

[Joey66]

None of which answers the simple question I posed Joey.

If the EU was doing great and growth was at record levels I would be happy to stay in it it is on its knees, and people want to stay in IT even after a vote that stated - we should leave ok!

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Well, if we now tell the world that we will have a second referendum, following on from demands to tell the world our negotiating strategy, what would be the point of negotiating. You would have just given the other side everything they want to know, plus the incentive to come up with a lose/lose proposal if they want to keep the Uk in the EU by scaring the voters in the knowledge that they have a second vote. Gross stupidity doesn't go far enough to describe this approach. Do you understand it now.......

Patronising is a strong suit of yours Pete, and it's continually misplaced, save it.

Did I say that we had to make a announcement on a second referendum BEFORE we'd reached the end of the negotiations?

There's absolutely no reason that the Govt couldn't take their final position and then give the country the choice as to whether to accept it or not.

We'd then be dealing with what Brexit would actually tangibly mean to the populous, and not some campaign that made unsubstantiated claims and promised things that could have never been delivered. The actual cold hard facts.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

If the EU was doing great and growth was at record levels I would be happy to stay in it it is on its knees, and people want to stay in IT even after a vote that stated - we should leave ok!

You've still not answered it mate.

 

[neil999]

oh no...he's back

 

[Tubey]

You've still not answered it mate.

They can't answer it, as there's no answer to give.

Again, I can only express surprise that those who voted to leave can't put their hands up and admit there was no economic plan of action in the event of doing so. It really is a case of "it is what it is" - they voted for 'sovereignty', whatever that means, over economic sense. So be it.

 

[peteblue]

Sir John Major has declared there is a “perfectly credible” case for a second referendum on Brexit and people who voted to remain should not be subject to the “tyranny of the majority”.

The former prime minister said the views of Remain voters should be heard in the debate about how Britain will leave the European Union.

Parliament, not the government, should make the final decision on any new deal with the remaining members of the EU and there was a “perfectly credible case” for a second referendum.

“I hear the argument that the 48% of people who voted to stay should have no say in what happens,” he said.

“I find that very difficult to accept. The tyranny of the majority has never applied in a democracy and it should not apply in this particular democracy.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...erfectly-credible-case-for-second-referendum?

I think he's being quite insulting to Theresa May. It is the governments job to ensure that whatever deal is arrived at is in the best interests of the UK within the framework of leaving the EU. Which I'm confident she will do. I'm sure if John Major were still PM he'd believe that he would be doing so. We haven't even initiated article 50 yet the demands from the remainers are going through the roof. He coined a nice term but got the wording incorrect, it should have said 'The tyranny of the minority' and that would have been far more accurate.....

 

[The Esk]

So, if the economy was not the reason for the Brexit vote, and nor was sovereignty (given that sovereignty is defined by our international obligations whether in the EU or not) what could possibly have been the motivation for voting for Brexit?