Current Affairs EU In or Out

[peteblue]

Perhaps, though if you removed "a" and then "remainer" from that sentence it would also work.

Hahahaha....very good......

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Note "captured", which is an odd way to describe someone who was voted in by a majority of each of the disparate blocks that make up the Labour electorate, adding up to two landslides within a year. Note also how the suggestion is that the "far left" being in charge is a new phenomenon, even though almost all of the policies Corbyn proposes are actually long-standing Labour beliefs (take a look at the 1945 Labour manifesto for instance, or that from 1992, or even that from 1979).

Blair is a snake. Unless there are demonstrable, verifiable and multiple independent sources backing up what he says, it is best to assume he is telling fibs.

That isn't strictly speaking true though is it? Corbyn was voted for by the Labour party membership. There are ~500,000 Labour party members, yet > 9 million people voted for them in the last election, which if my maths is right makes that about 5% of the people who voted Labour at the last (dismal) election. Now it's quite possible that the party membership does represent the wider Labour voting population, but I'm not sure we can really say that with any certainty, can we?

 

[ToffeeTim]

Tony Blair believes that Brexit can be halted. “It can be stopped if the British people decide that, having seen what it means, the pain-gain cost-benefit analysis doesn’t stack up. And that can happen in one of two ways. I’m not saying it will [be stopped], by the way, but it could. I’m just saying: until you see what it means, how do you know?”

Attempting to secure access to the single market will be the defining negotiation. “Either you get maximum access to the single market – in which case you’ll end up accepting a significant number of the rules on immigration, on payment into the budget, on the European Court’s jurisdiction. People may then say, ‘Well, hang on, why are we leaving then?’ Or alternatively, you’ll be out of the single market and the economic pain may be very great, because beyond doubt if you do that you’ll have years, maybe a decade, of economic restructuring.”

But, I suggest, the Remain side made numberless dire economic forecasts during the long, dispiriting referendum campaign and they were ignored. The public understands well enough the risks of Brexit.

“But this is what I keep saying to people. This is like agreeing to a house swap without having seen the other house . . . You’ve got to understand, this has been driven essentially ideologically. You’ve got a very powerful cartel of the media on the right who provided the platform for the Brexiteers who allied themselves with the people in the Tory party who saw a chance to run with this. And, OK, they ended up in circumstances where there was a very brutal but not particularly enlightening campaign. They won that campaign.”

He pauses to reach for his coffee cup.

“But in the end, for a large number of the people, even those who voted Leave, they will look at this in a practical way, not an ideological way. And all I’m saying is: what shows you how ideological this is is that when I say, ‘Well, let’s just keep our options open,’ it’s condemned as treason. Why wouldn’t you keep your options open? Why wouldn’t you say, ‘We took this decision, we took it before we saw what its consequences are; now we see its consequences, we’re not so sure’?

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/11/tony-blair-s-unfinished-business

Like him or not, what he says on Brexit makes perfect sense.

Why are you defending that absolute snake? I can make my own mind up without consulting with a man who would sell his kids down the river for a few quid

 

[peteblue]

They listened to him over Iraq look how that ended he and Bush should have been tried in The Hague for war crimes IMO!
Do not listen to any lie he utters!
He is toxic if anyone believes he's a game changer for Brexit dream on !

He is a game changer, he will convince more people to leave than anyone could.......

 

[The Esk]

I'm aware Blair is toxic to many, however as I said earlier read his words on Brexit. The ideologically driven approach is to go for Brexit regardless of the consequences.

The pragmatic approach driven by what's best for the nation as a whole is to have flexibility in the outcome because it never makes sense to substitute a set of circumstances for a worse one. That is indisputable logic.

 

[Moomin]

A true British Hero, thank you Tony Blair for coming back to save us from Brexit.

 

[roydo]

Think some folk should focus on what was said, rather than who said it.

 

[peteblue]

A true British Hero, thank you Tony Blair for coming back to save us from Brexit.

God bless him and all those who pay him........

 

[peteblue]

Think some folk should focus on what was said, rather than who said it.

Why ?...the man tells lies, he gets paid by some of the most obnoxious people on the planet, he may well be getting paid or have a personal financial interest in the words he is using now......he should be in Europe, at The Hague.....

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Why ?...the man tells lies, he gets paid by some of the most obnoxious people on the planet, he may well be getting paid or have a personal financial interest in the words he is using now......he should be in Europe, at The Hague.....

So you're saying that telling lies is enough to discredit someone now? Now?

 

[roydo]

Why ?...the man tells lies, he gets paid by some of the most obnoxious people on the planet, he may well be getting paid or have a personal financial interest in the words he is using now......he should be in Europe, at The Hague.....

Whilst I broadly agree with you on that, and politically, have zero truck with him, what he says in that piece does make sense to me.

I posted a similar version myself, a day or so after the vote, along the lines of "Are you sure?" Well, that exactly.

Lob the fringe/well informed elements of both sides to the naughty step for a moment, and ask yourself, honestly, how many people in the UK actually had a clue how all this would actually pan out. Or more importantly, even considered it?

I certainly didnt.

 

[peteblue]

Whilst I broadly agree with you on that, and politically, have zero truck with him, what he says in that piece does make sense to me.

I posted a similar version myself, a day or so after the vote, along the lines of "Are you sure?" Well, that exactly.

Lob the fringe/well informed elements of both sides to the naughty step for a moment, and ask yourself, honestly, how many people in the UK actually had a clue how all this would actually pan out. Or more importantly, even considered it?

I certainly didnt.

You voted remain and didn't understand it by your own admission. I voted leave and did understand it.......

 

[peteblue]

So you're saying that telling lies is enough to discredit someone now? Now?

I see the mods are circling.....so answer me this.....'Would you honestly believe anything that man told you'......

 

[roydo]

You voted remain and didn't understand it by your own admission. I voted leave and did understand it.......

I understood the ramifications of staying.

I didnt know the ramifications of leaving. Hence why I voted that way, mainly.

Read what I post, not what you want to read.

 

[roydo]

I see the mods are circling.....so answer me this.....'Would you honestly believe anything that man told you'......

Blair? No.

But what he did say, chimes with what I thought a week or so after the vote. Hence, "Are you sure?"

A busted clock is right etc etc.