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    Votes: 688 67.9%

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    Votes: 325 32.1%
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Joey66 said:
referendum @The Esk do you want to leave the Eu answer YES!
skate around it all you want if this government lets the people down Ukip will emerge stronger the next GE - if Labour get in the way they will disintegrate or use their mobile telephones -
texting why they got wiped out!
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They're going to volley it down the road into the next parliament Joey. A 5 year plus period of 'negotiation' as part of a deal over article 50 is May's aim imo, during which nothing will change.

I'd not be surprised if there was another referendum way down the track on the negotiated terms - this is the best we can do chaps, do you want us to now carry on with this on these terms or skip the entire idea and reverse our invoking of article 50.
 
Foot Long Hot Dog said:
They're going to volley it down the road into the next parliament Joey. A 5 year plus period of 'negotiation' as part of a deal over article 50 is May's aim imo, during which nothing will change.

I'd not be surprised if there was another referendum way down the track on the negotiated terms - this is the best we can do chaps, do you want us to now carry on with this on these terms or skip the entire idea and reverse our invoking of article 50.
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In your dreams you mean to have a referendum to squash a referendum will go down like a lead ballon with the electorate-May has set her stall if it's undeliverable she knows she will lose the next GE or a hung Parliment with dare I say with UKIP!
 
Joey66 said:
In your dreams you mean to have a referendum to squash a referendum will go down like a lead ballon with the electorate-May has set her stall if it's undeliverable she knows she will lose the next GE or a hung Parliment with dare I say with UKIP!
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Read what I said again Joey, as you've created a strawman there.
 
Joey66 said:
Farage will not let go if article 50 is not signed his speech last night was defiant it will be like Hatton in charge of Liverpool yet he was not leader if Brexit falters !
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You talking about Farage's speech? Sorry dont listen to the cretin so what did he have to say then ?
 
Tony Blair believes that Brexit can be halted. “It can be stopped if the British people decide that, having seen what it means, the pain-gain cost-benefit analysis doesn’t stack up. And that can happen in one of two ways. I’m not saying it will [be stopped], by the way, but it could. I’m just saying: until you see what it means, how do you know?”

Attempting to secure access to the single market will be the defining negotiation. “Either you get maximum access to the single market – in which case you’ll end up accepting a significant number of the rules on immigration, on payment into the budget, on the European Court’s jurisdiction. People may then say, ‘Well, hang on, why are we leaving then?’ Or alternatively, you’ll be out of the single market and the economic pain may be very great, because beyond doubt if you do that you’ll have years, maybe a decade, of economic restructuring.”

But, I suggest, the Remain side made numberless dire economic forecasts during the long, dispiriting referendum campaign and they were ignored. The public understands well enough the risks of Brexit.

“But this is what I keep saying to people. This is like agreeing to a house swap without having seen the other house . . . You’ve got to understand, this has been driven essentially ideologically. You’ve got a very powerful cartel of the media on the right who provided the platform for the Brexiteers who allied themselves with the people in the Tory party who saw a chance to run with this. And, OK, they ended up in circumstances where there was a very brutal but not particularly enlightening campaign. They won that campaign.”

He pauses to reach for his coffee cup.

“But in the end, for a large number of the people, even those who voted Leave, they will look at this in a practical way, not an ideological way. And all I’m saying is: what shows you how ideological this is is that when I say, ‘Well, let’s just keep our options open,’ it’s condemned as treason. Why wouldn’t you keep your options open? Why wouldn’t you say, ‘We took this decision, we took it before we saw what its consequences are; now we see its consequences, we’re not so sure’?

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/11/tony-blair-s-unfinished-business

Like him or not, what he says on Brexit makes perfect sense.
 
The Esk said:
Tony Blair believes that Brexit can be halted. “It can be stopped if the British people decide that, having seen what it means, the pain-gain cost-benefit analysis doesn’t stack up. And that can happen in one of two ways. I’m not saying it will [be stopped], by the way, but it could. I’m just saying: until you see what it means, how do you know?”

Attempting to secure access to the single market will be the defining negotiation. “Either you get maximum access to the single market – in which case you’ll end up accepting a significant number of the rules on immigration, on payment into the budget, on the European Court’s jurisdiction. People may then say, ‘Well, hang on, why are we leaving then?’ Or alternatively, you’ll be out of the single market and the economic pain may be very great, because beyond doubt if you do that you’ll have years, maybe a decade, of economic restructuring.”

But, I suggest, the Remain side made numberless dire economic forecasts during the long, dispiriting referendum campaign and they were ignored. The public understands well enough the risks of Brexit.

“But this is what I keep saying to people. This is like agreeing to a house swap without having seen the other house . . . You’ve got to understand, this has been driven essentially ideologically. You’ve got a very powerful cartel of the media on the right who provided the platform for the Brexiteers who allied themselves with the people in the Tory party who saw a chance to run with this. And, OK, they ended up in circumstances where there was a very brutal but not particularly enlightening campaign. They won that campaign.”

He pauses to reach for his coffee cup.

“But in the end, for a large number of the people, even those who voted Leave, they will look at this in a practical way, not an ideological way. And all I’m saying is: what shows you how ideological this is is that when I say, ‘Well, let’s just keep our options open,’ it’s condemned as treason. Why wouldn’t you keep your options open? Why wouldn’t you say, ‘We took this decision, we took it before we saw what its consequences are; now we see its consequences, we’re not so sure’?

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/11/tony-blair-s-unfinished-business

Like him or not, what he says on Brexit makes perfect sense.
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Yes what a lovable combination he's teaming up with Nick Clegg- what a toxic combination that is for Brexit voterslol
 
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