I'm not sure how that relates to what I wrote Joe?
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I'm not sure how that relates to what I wrote Joe?
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
I am puzzled by one thing.
If the Government had any real intention of leaving the EU they'd have used clause 50.1 the day after the referendum rather than clause 50.2 as proposed at some point in the future, and just leave. Thankfully that route is currently blocked following the High Court decision.
No wonder the leave supporters are so concerned.
It's better to do these things properly and slowly and get them right.......
The Esk
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I think you should read Article 50 properly mate.
Whilst we're talking, all this stuff about sovereignty.
As a member of Nato, WTO, the UN, an observor of International Law and a signatory to multiple treaties, trade deals and bilateral agreements how much sovereignty do you think we really have?
Sovereignty is an out-dated concept used by politicians to prop up their small fiefdoms. Unless you are prepared to stand alone and have no obligations and agreements with other countries we can never be truly sovereign.
It was to all Remainers Bruce - I am beginning to feel this government is making Brexit to complicated going to the Supreme Court IMO is a mistake they should have just put a short bill towards Parliment on article 50 to be passed this will probably happen anyway IMO!
Just dragging on IMO May has not helped the needy like she quoted on the steps of no 10 - to blame Brexit on the backs of Gideon disastrous austerity programme of stagnating the economy over six years was a cop out by the new chancellor who is a Remainer - I feel even without Brexit yesterday the economy is no better in or out of the EU as technically we are still in it - no positivity of World trade - the USA trade on offer - just the same organisations that stated Armageddon if we voted to leave which has been totally proved wrong - The fact that DC did not put a Brexit plan walked away and earned a years salary for a one hour talk he will be remembered as Blair part two -
May needs to buck her rhetoric on leaving up as yesterday her own chancellor backed the very people who never get the growth figures correct it's a new era, and the consequences of yesterday has just spurred more uncertainty IMO!
Spot on. Sovereignty is a buzz word for isolationism.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Then there is no sovereign nation on the planet. We have been members of International bodies and signatory to various agreements for a lot longer than the EEC and the EU have existed. Think of Sovereignty as the ability to make your own decisions within the laws and strictures that surround us. Your household is sovereign in a certain way in that decisions that you may wish to make are decided by you and your family, without needing a unanimous vote within your street or having one of your neighbours having a veto.........
The Esk
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Aren't you just describing membership of the EU there?
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Nope, don't see that word in this description........
Sovereignty
The supreme, absolute, and uncontrollable power by which an independent state is governed and from which all specific political powers are derived; the intentional independence of a state, combined with the right and power of regulating its internal affairs without foreign interference.
Sovereignty is the power of a state to do everything necessary to govern itself, such as making, executing, and applying laws; imposing and collecting taxes; making war and peace; and forming treaties or engaging in commerce with foreign nations.
peteblue
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No.....
The Esk
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Article 50.1 : Any member state may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements
There's no mention at all of applying to withdraw - it just says quite plainly any state may withdraw.
Surely therefore if the Government were serious in their intent to leave the EU they'd have done just this - withdraw the following day - by withdrawing they'd give notice and stopped all future EU contributions, forcing the EU to negotiate at the quickest opportunity and on much better terms.
However they didn't do that, as we know, and now cannot do so following the High Court ruling (thankfully) which indicates where despite their public noises, their true intent lies
peteblue
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Article 50.1 : Any member state may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements
There's no mention at all of applying to withdraw - it just says quite plainly any state may withdraw.
Surely therefore if the Government were serious in their intent to leave the EU they'd have done just this - withdraw the following day - by withdrawing they'd give notice and stopped all future EU contributions, forcing the EU to negotiate at the quickest opportunity and on much better terms.
However they didn't do that, as we know, and now cannot do so following the High Court ruling (thankfully) which indicates where despite their public noises, their true intent lies
I saw the article by some woman the other day saying that this could be done. If it had been applied as you suggest there would still have been a legal challenge on similar grounds. It will run its course........
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However they didn't do that, as we know, and now cannot do so following the High Court ruling (thankfully) which indicates where despite their public noises, their true intent lies
... which is the most worrying thing of all
referendum @The Esk do you want to leave the Eu answer YES!Article 50.1 : Any member state may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements
There's no mention at all of applying to withdraw - it just says quite plainly any state may withdraw.
Surely therefore if the Government were serious in their intent to leave the EU they'd have done just this - withdraw the following day - by withdrawing they'd give notice and stopped all future EU contributions, forcing the EU to negotiate at the quickest opportunity and on much better terms.
However they didn't do that, as we know, and now cannot do so following the High Court ruling (thankfully) which indicates where despite their public noises, their true intent lies
skate around it all you want if this government lets the people down Ukip will emerge stronger the next GE - if Labour get in the way they will disintegrate or use their mobile telephones -
texting why they got wiped out!
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this is absolute crap and you know it.....of course it was nothing to do with the banks' greed and manipulation of finances over which countries had very little control was it ? I tend to agree with magic juans theories regarding corporations/banks having the control over debt/spending and individual states having very little. Austerity was manufactured by the money men and their friends in governments told what to do....dont get me wrong I detested Tory lite "New Labour" as well - sucking up to the right wing agenda for all the good it did them. Our annual debt is still there and will be with us for years to come,
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