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[Ashtonian]

So why did you vote for something that's more likely to be terrible than not then?
Trying to understand why you'd voluntarily vote to throw your country under the bus and see what happens.

I see it more as a vote against what we were told to think rather than simply wanting to leave. It is a leap into the unknown if we left sure but at the same time a lot of the reaming arguments I believe discredit the country. We will lose this, , lost that, worker rights etc. Except it is basically saying it takes a continent to be able to install common sense and beneficial things for its own people. Industry could grow , trade isn't doomed as long as we can negotiate it well.

But all of that is unknown now, and it is an opportunity for politicians to actually do their job outside their comfort zone now.

@Ashtonian I like what you're saying, but do you think the 52% who voted to Leave will be content with not.. leaving?
Also, I'm not so sure about Germany and France. With the UK gone, they'd be the two largest contributors by an even larger margin than currently.

Would the German's be happy they are paying even more out because of it? Knock on effects as they say.

I think to split the vote so to speak how many people voted leave based on genuine reasons and how many were just ignorant or racist? Certainly enough of the latter to swing the vote in the other way . If proper arguments were laid out to the people of the country that you could see where it benefitted us then a second vote would certainly remain.

Sadly if they had done that in the first place rather than threatening to raise taxes then we would not have come to this position.

 

[degsy]

Ironic given that the Pound is at its lowest value in 40 years, I'd be shorting the pound further if I had any money to put on it.

If someone said the earth was flat, you would expect people to use evidence to say why it isn't. If that evidence was then ignored by a majority of people then yes, I would question their faculties. That's exactly what has happened here. There is barely a scrap of evidence to suggest this is even a remotely good decision.

The result's in, it will be what it is and the Leave will regret it or not. The original point was that you were agreeing with some one calling another poster for having an 'Intellectually low opinion' so you stand by that remark then?

Stand by it or don't, NEA.

I'm off to stroll round to the pub for a drink before dinner, it's hard work watching history unfold before your eyes

 

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[bizzaro]

I voted with my kids and granddaughter in mind......I believe we have given them back control of their own futures.....

You've split their throats - economically speaking.

Without even realising

 

[zirc]

This argument reminds me of Americans and their gun issues. Yes, you are more in control with a pistol in the waistband of your trousers. You're also about a million per cent more likely to die of a gunshot wound.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The result's in, it will be what it is and the Leave will regret it or not. The original point was that you were agreeing with some one calling another poster for having an 'Intellectually low opinion' so you stand by that remark then?

Stand by it or don't, NEA.

I'm off to stroll round to the pub for a drink before dinner, it's hard work watching history unfold before your eyes

Yes, I do stand by that. It's a horrendously poor decision, and the whole continent will regret it, not just those that voted for it.

 

[Zezti]

I just found the Leavers' 10-year post-Brexit simulation, those crafty devils tried saying there wasn't one!

 

[Seanjd]

It wasn't as simple as listing the reasons to remain in the EU and to leave, then voting.

This referendum has always had wider implications, and those not able to see them have been deluded in their decision of a 'better Britain'.

This is not a two fingered salute to the establishment as commentators were so keen to point out last night. We will most likely see the likes of Boris Johnson running this country, with no European veto on workers rights, materiality leave, amongst others.

I think we will see a huge shift to the right. The rise of far right parties like UKIP, and an even more divided nation than the one we live in now.

Like it or not, a leave vote was not a protest vote, or even solely a vote on Europe. A leave vote was a vote for Johnson, a vote for Farage, and a vote for a more powerful right wing presence in this country.

Let's hope we're prepared for that, because with the majority of working class labour towns voting against immigration, I don't think we are.

A devastating result.

 

[Ashtonian]

I'm sorry but that's entirely wrong.

Firstly there's no longer any mandate for this or any UK Government to remain in the EU. That is crystal clear.

Secondly we now have minimal influence within the EU and we should expect no favours as a result of this decision.

The EU will now be determined to make an example of the UK to demonstrate the folly of other member states trying to leave. The EU will now do everything within its powers to stop other member states from leaving, making post EU life as difficult as possible for the UK.

This is a disastrous day for the UK, the implications of which we can not even pretend to understand at this time.

I'm not going to disagree because I trust you know more on the subject than I do mate.

But do you not think that there is even the smallest chance other countries could follow us? On the basis that if we did it then they could? Is there no chance that the EU rather than make an example out of us would want us? I can't imagine telling Germany France and the like give us more money will go down too well considering one of our own leave arguments was all about that issue?

I understand your viewpoint but I don't believe this is the end of the matter for neither us or anyone else within the EU.

 

[peteblue]

You've split their throats - economically speaking.

Without even realising

There's more to life than money, and they will have enough of that anyway......

 

[bizzaro]

There's more to life than money, and they will have enough of that anyway......

You THINK.

 

[sbbefc]

If they gave us control of our borders we'd stay, it's all about this country being flooded with migrants, the public have had enough and rightly so.

What about all the immigrants that come from non EU contries? That still continues to grow.

What happens if we remain in the trading block? We'll still have free movement like Norway.

We have a large aging population, immigration isn't going to go away.

 

[Zezti]

You THINK.

They hope.

 

[bizzaro]

They hope.

Wind and a prayer

 

[micknick]

Cameron to resign?!