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Rubbish, we should sign that Croatian goalkeeper Brexit.........
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Rubbish, we should sign that Croatian goalkeeper Brexit.........
The Migration Observatory at Oxford University. The point I'm making is that if controlling immigration was a good thing, then the migrants we can choose to let in (or not) would inevitably be better for our economy than those we let in via EU free movement, yet the opposite is the case.
peteblue
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Haven't seen the document I'm afraid.......
Quelle surprise
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Can you post the link then, thanks......
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He's not been on for 24 minutes, before you asked the question.
Bruce scrambling on Google as we postlol
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I found the site but still cannot find any evidence of what Bruce mentioned, I'm sure it'll be there I just haven't found it......but I did find this on the opening page regarding the evidence.....
"The existing estimates of the fiscal impact of immigration in the UK are limited because of a lack of data and accurate information about a wide range of important factors. For this and other reasons, a significant number of assumptions must be made in order to estimate the fiscal effects of immigration, and results tend to change based on these assumptions.
The estimation of the fiscal impact of immigration requires a comparison between the costs imposed by migrants on public finances (including the services and benefits used by migrants) and their taxes and other public finance contributions they make. There are two main ways of conducting this analysis: a static approach and a dynamic approach. The static approach is based on a specific year, and simply compares the contributions of migrants to public finances with the services and benefits received for that year. The advantage of this approach is that it uses historical data, while the disadvantage is the lack of a forward-looking perspective given that it is a snapshot at one point in time.
An alternative is the dynamic approach, which computes the net present value of contributions and costs over the entire lifetime of migrants and, in some cases, their children. The advantage of this approach is the forward-looking perspective and the possibility of exploring changes over time in fiscal impacts between UK-born individuals and migrants. The limitation of the dynamic approach is that it requires strong future assumptions about many factors such as migrant fertility rates, return migration rates, productivity rates, labour market participation rates, tax rates and government spending, among others. The results of these studies tend to differ significantly based on changes in these assumptions."
So there is a lack of data and there are differing results based on assumptions........somehow I'm not that impressed......
"The existing estimates of the fiscal impact of immigration in the UK are limited because of a lack of data and accurate information about a wide range of important factors. For this and other reasons, a significant number of assumptions must be made in order to estimate the fiscal effects of immigration, and results tend to change based on these assumptions.
The estimation of the fiscal impact of immigration requires a comparison between the costs imposed by migrants on public finances (including the services and benefits used by migrants) and their taxes and other public finance contributions they make. There are two main ways of conducting this analysis: a static approach and a dynamic approach. The static approach is based on a specific year, and simply compares the contributions of migrants to public finances with the services and benefits received for that year. The advantage of this approach is that it uses historical data, while the disadvantage is the lack of a forward-looking perspective given that it is a snapshot at one point in time.
An alternative is the dynamic approach, which computes the net present value of contributions and costs over the entire lifetime of migrants and, in some cases, their children. The advantage of this approach is the forward-looking perspective and the possibility of exploring changes over time in fiscal impacts between UK-born individuals and migrants. The limitation of the dynamic approach is that it requires strong future assumptions about many factors such as migrant fertility rates, return migration rates, productivity rates, labour market participation rates, tax rates and government spending, among others. The results of these studies tend to differ significantly based on changes in these assumptions."
So there is a lack of data and there are differing results based on assumptions........somehow I'm not that impressed......
Bruce we need controlled immigration as we have no skills in the UK for trades persons too many graduates with no hands on trade skills until we address that - we have a vast skill shortage the idea of controlled immigration is when our skill set is changed we can turn the tap off - free movement you cannot its not racist it just good practical management, one the seems to elect presidents!
he promises to do this and hey ho against many odds even as not a great candidate he gains power!
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That was for the second approach only; for the first one (looking back at a specific year) there is plenty of data.
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From Bloomberg:
Chancellor of the Exchequer Philip Hammond said quitting Europe’s customs union would impose a “frictional cost” on exporters, signaling he is at odds with those government colleagues seeking an immediate withdrawal.
Being in the union allows the U.K. to trade freely with fellow members, yet prevents it from striking commercial deals of its own with outside countries. Trade chief Liam Fox is among those wanting to leave so he can line up the pacts the U.K. needs to prosper after Brexit. The Sun newspaper on Thursday cited a cabinet minister as saying either Hammond or Fox “will end up walking” out of government because they can’t agree.
“The truth is that after 40 years in the European Union we’ve got an economy that’s heavily integrated with economies of the European Union,” Hammond said in an interview with Bloomberg Television in New York. “There would be a frictional cost to not being involved in a customs union.”
Those costs would include more bureaucracy at borders with companies required to submit their shipments to security checks and to detail the origin of the products they’re exporting. There is also a concern that the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland would need to be strengthened.
Prior to June’s referendum, the Treasury warned an hour of delay at customs would mean 5 percent less trade and estimated companies would have to fill in forms with more than 50 boxes. On the other hand, leaving would allow Fox to reach out to the likes of China and the U.S. to line up new relationships.
“We have to look at this in rational terms -- there are costs and there are benefits,” said Hammond, whose department is conducting a fresh study of the issue.
Chancellor of the Exchequer Philip Hammond said quitting Europe’s customs union would impose a “frictional cost” on exporters, signaling he is at odds with those government colleagues seeking an immediate withdrawal.
Being in the union allows the U.K. to trade freely with fellow members, yet prevents it from striking commercial deals of its own with outside countries. Trade chief Liam Fox is among those wanting to leave so he can line up the pacts the U.K. needs to prosper after Brexit. The Sun newspaper on Thursday cited a cabinet minister as saying either Hammond or Fox “will end up walking” out of government because they can’t agree.
“The truth is that after 40 years in the European Union we’ve got an economy that’s heavily integrated with economies of the European Union,” Hammond said in an interview with Bloomberg Television in New York. “There would be a frictional cost to not being involved in a customs union.”
Those costs would include more bureaucracy at borders with companies required to submit their shipments to security checks and to detail the origin of the products they’re exporting. There is also a concern that the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland would need to be strengthened.
Prior to June’s referendum, the Treasury warned an hour of delay at customs would mean 5 percent less trade and estimated companies would have to fill in forms with more than 50 boxes. On the other hand, leaving would allow Fox to reach out to the likes of China and the U.S. to line up new relationships.
“We have to look at this in rational terms -- there are costs and there are benefits,” said Hammond, whose department is conducting a fresh study of the issue.
Yes there is plenty of data on google if you find the parts you need to support any argument thats my running joke with Bruce ala Googlelol
peteblue
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I've just been through it again and all I'm seeing is words like tentative,estimates,lack of data......the numbers I can see could suggest that immigration has been of no benefit overall and the differences between EEA and Non EEA do not refer or identify the size of population that the contributions relate to.......surely there must be something better than this....
The Migration Observatory at Oxford University, are they unbiased ?
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