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    Votes: 688 67.9%

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    Votes: 325 32.1%
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peteblue said:
No mate, this is just the usual one sided scare story. Try telling Germany that when we leave the customs union they cannot trade with the UK......get it now, it ain't gonna happen........
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No one has said 'forbidden' have they? It'll just be a) more expensive, and b) more cumbersome to deal with regulations etc. I mean for industries like the City, the main benefit of the union is the non-tariff stuff like the passporting. For the science industry, the benefits of the union are in H2020 and access to researchers.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/37994344

Google boss saying that Britain is very attractive precisely because it's so easy to attract the best talent in the world. A nice reminder for those folks who were struggling to see how free trade = free movement
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Tech companies who have no other choice than hiring immigrants in the Silicon Valley are frightened by the uncertainty of our new direction.

One of my best friends is an immigration attorney here, and her firm is solely dedicted to helping the tech giants staff themselves for highly skilled jobs. We simply don't meet the demand of those job domestically. The hurdles to get them working here are ridiculous.
 
ilikecheese said:
Tech companies who have no other choice than hiring immigrants in the Silicon Valley are frightened by the uncertainty of our new direction.

One of my best friends is an immigration attorney here, and her firm is solely dedicted to helping the tech giants staff themselves for highly skilled jobs. We simply don't meet the demand of those job domestically. The hurdles to get them working here are ridiculous.
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It's interesting that when Johnson was in Czech, in his usual bumbling way, he was saying how wonderful the Czech people are and how valuable they are to the UK economy. He seemingly sees no dichotomy between saying that we're an open country that values foreigners, but we want to control who comes and in what numbers.

You sense the Indians quickly rumbled May due to the distinction between what she says and what she does, and we should be under no illusions as to who they're pandering to. 'Lest we forget' the Daily Mail headlines whenever the EU has expanded and all.
 
One of the 11 Supreme Court judges, Lady Hale has passed some interesting comments during a lecture on constitutional matters in Kuala Lumpur:

“Another question is whether it would be enough for a simple act of parliament to authorise the government to give notice, or whether it would have to be a comprehensive replacement of the EC 1972 act,”

The Government which favours a quick three line bill to trigger A50 has responded suggesting the the Courts are now instructing Parliament. Rightly, this has been denied by the Supreme Court.

“One of the questions raised in these proceedings is what form of legislation would be necessary for parliament to be able to lawfully trigger article 50, if the government loses its appeal,” the spokesman said. “A number of politicians have raised the same question. Though it was not dealt with explicitly in the high court judgment, it is not a new issue. In no way was Lady Hale offering a view on what the likely outcome might be.”

I appreciate that those firmly in favour of Brexit will see this as more scaremongering, but as I've said for sometime we are facing a constitutional crisis brought about by the inept management of the situation by this Government.
 
Boris Johnson is promising the British people a Brexit deal that is “intellectually impossible” and “politically unavailable”, according to the Dutch finance minister and Eurogroup president.

Jeroen Dijsselbloem delivered a scathing attack on Johnson after the foreign secretary claimed the UK would probably be leaving the customs union while also seeking free trade with the EU and extra immigration controls.

Dijsselbloem told the BBC’s Newsnight: “I think he’s offering to the British people options that are really not available. For example, to say we could be inside the internal market but be outside the customs union, this is impossible, it just doesn’t exist. The opposite does exist. We have a customs union with Turkey but Turkey is not part of the internal market.

He’s saying things that are intellectually impossible, politically unavailable, so I think he’s not offering the British people a fair view of what is available and what can be achieved in these negotiations.”

Describing Brexit as a lose-lose situation, Dijsselbloem added: “It would be in my country’s interests and in European and British interests if the Brits would stay in the EU but I don’t think it’s going to happen. The next best option is to have as good an agreement as possible but the UK will be outside the single market and there will be some hindrances.”

Leaving the customs union would allow the UK to strike trade deals independently with non-EU countries but Whitehall has told cabinet ministers that it could seriously harm the economy by causing extra border checks and bureaucracy.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...vision-intellectually-impossible-eu-minister?
 
The Esk said:
Clearly you have little understanding of how the customs union works and the benefits of it in terms of trade between members of the union.
I've first hand experience of manfacturing companies that sat outside the customs union and I and my clients experienced the difficulties of having fully laden trucks sitting on borders for days on end whilst other cargoes sailed through.

The Brexit Committee are sitting on a report that forecasts a 12% reduction in trade from within as a result of leaving the customs union.
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And how does any of that negate my comment that we will continue to trade with Germany and France......
 
The Esk said:
One of the 11 Supreme Court judges, Lady Hale has passed some interesting comments during a lecture on constitutional matters in Kuala Lumpur:

“Another question is whether it would be enough for a simple act of parliament to authorise the government to give notice, or whether it would have to be a comprehensive replacement of the EC 1972 act,”

The Government which favours a quick three line bill to trigger A50 has responded suggesting the the Courts are now instructing Parliament. Rightly, this has been denied by the Supreme Court.

“One of the questions raised in these proceedings is what form of legislation would be necessary for parliament to be able to lawfully trigger article 50, if the government loses its appeal,” the spokesman said. “A number of politicians have raised the same question. Though it was not dealt with explicitly in the high court judgment, it is not a new issue. In no way was Lady Hale offering a view on what the likely outcome might be.”

I appreciate that those firmly in favour of Brexit will see this as more scaremongering, but as I've said for sometime we are facing a constitutional crisis brought about by the inept management of the situation by this Government.
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It is indeed a constitutional crisis when one of our supreme court justices is promulgating public views over something of which she has not been tasked with..........
 
peteblue said:
And how does any of that negate my comment that we will continue to trade with Germany and France......
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Noone is saying we will not trade with Germany or France. However almost everyone with experience of international trade recognises that leaving a customs union makes trade more difficult because of the requirement for border checks. As a result the volume of trade falls.
 
The Esk said:
Noone is saying we will not trade with Germany or France. However almost everyone with experience of international trade recognises that leaving a customs union makes trade more difficult because of the requirement for border checks. As a result the volume of trade falls.
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In both directions......
 
ilikecheese said:
Tech companies who have no other choice than hiring immigrants in the Silicon Valley are frightened by the uncertainty of our new direction.

One of my best friends is an immigration attorney here, and her firm is solely dedicted to helping the tech giants staff themselves for highly skilled jobs. We simply don't meet the demand of those job domestically. The hurdles to get them working here are ridiculous.
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We had the same problem years ago trying to get Indian software engineers into the USA, after embedding a small team into the development unit we just did the work offshore......
 
Bruce Wayne said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/37994344

Google boss saying that Britain is very attractive precisely because it's so easy to attract the best talent in the world. A nice reminder for those folks who were struggling to see how free trade = free movement
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And yet he has still done it even after we voted Brexit , who'd have thought it......Bruce you are knocking on an open door, everyone agrees that we should be able to bring in whatever talent we want from abroad, but not have an open border that anyone can walk through.........
 
peteblue said:
It is indeed a constitutional crisis when one of our supreme court justices is promulgating public views over something of which she has not been tasked with..........
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I'd have thought you would welcome direction from the highest court in the land on how to legally trigger A50?

Perish the thought that the government gets it wrong and that whatever parliament decides becomes subject to another legal case.

Apart from the cost and disruption to normal government business, further delays can only damage the economy further.
 
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