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[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Good afternoon OB2 (it's afternoon here). Im aware that higher courts do not necessarily have to accept the precedent of a lower court, but such is the volume of precedent identified in the full judgement it would be remarkable if the Supreme Court dismissed each and every precedent, let alone looked to interpret statute differently to the High Court.

The judgement was unequivocal and merely reaffirmed what many had concluded based on simple common sense

The rights that the 1972 act gives UK citizens can't be removed by the Govt without the approval of parliament. It was never complicated, May was trying to steam roller it through off the back of an opinion poll, which was always going to prove to be constitutionally incorrect.

The real question is why she chose that route, as opposed to merely following the correct and obvious protocol

 

[The Esk]

The ECA in 1972 was the common market treaty which if I am right was to join it done by referendum there have been three referendums no one ever voted for a Polictical union untill now?
The result for the first time was OUT! the others backed just a FREE trade agreement in EUROPE,
Let's see what the Supreme Court says ?
Considering on Monday Northern Ireland Jude voted the opposite sometimes the law can be an ass but it has to be respected IMO!

Joey, whether you value the right or not the ECA 1972 conferred certain rights to the citizens of Britain, those rights have been extended over the years, the freedom of movement, the right to vote in EU elections etc.

What was confirmed in the ruling yesterday is very important in our constitution. Namely that only Parliament can extend or remove rights to British citizens, Government or the executive (through the Crown Prerogative) can not.

This is perhaps our most critical and fundamental tenet of our constitution, and our citizenship. It protects each and everyone of us from having rights removed without the will of Parliament.

It is our greatest protection as citizens.

 

[peteblue]

Pete, I've always had time for you because, even though we often disagree, your views aren't framed by prejudice and an unwillingness to see what's actually going on. You look at events with open eyes and and open mind and even if you interpret it differently to me, you're not a hate-monger - and I respect you for that.

Thanks mate, and similarly I do appreciate your comments and viewpoint, because it is usually different. We all live in little bubbles and to get the opinion of someone like yourself who faces different obstacles in life is incredibly valuable....

 

[magicjuan]

But mixed that really isn't it? On one your saying it wasn't promoted as anti-establishment but you're still saying it was an anti-establishment vote.

My over riding point was that it wasn't a vote for anti-establishment even if people may have felt that. I agree with you it was the establishment on both sides- It was a vote for a change in the status quo yes, but not in the way that people may have hoped for.

Not mixed up at all, the leave campaign never used an anti establishment slant to gain support that I'm aware of, but it still was anti establishment/change vote to a certain extent. A challenge to the status quo as you put it. If 'the establishment' isn't the 'status quo' politically speaking then I don't know what is.

 

[joey_macmo]

The judgement was unequivocal and merely reaffirmed what many had concluded based on simple common sense

The rights that the 1972 act gives UK citizens can't be removed by the Govt without the approval of parliament. It was never complicated, May was trying to steam roller it through off the back of an opinion poll, which was always going to prove to be constitutionally incorrect.

The real question is why she chose that route, as opposed to merely following the correct and obvious protocol

We even said so in this very thread a few weeks ago. The legal experts I've seen or heard since are saying it's pretty much appeal proof as well.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Not mixed up at all, the leave campaign never used an anti establishment slant to gain support that I'm aware of, but it still was anti establishment/change vote to a certain extent. A challenge to the status quo as you put it. If 'the establishment' isn't the 'status quo' politically speaking then I don't know what is.

Personally I think there was an element of giving it to the establishment, and as part of that knowingly giving it to the 'haves', here have some of that chaps.

However, I don't think that thought process was anything more than a relatively small percentage. A far larger number voted with far less cerebral thoughts imo. The campaign was fought by leave on focusing on the lowest common denominator, that being immigration. An issue that many have had an issue with for years, and this was their opportunity to stick the boot in.

 

[joey_macmo]

Not mixed up at all, the leave campaign never used an anti establishment slant to gain support that I'm aware of, but it still was anti establishment/change vote to a certain extent. A challenge to the status quo as you put it. If 'the establishment' isn't the 'status quo' politically speaking then I don't know what is.

 

[Joey66]

Joey, whether you value the right or not the ECA 1972 conferred certain rights to the citizens of Britain, those rights have been extended over the years, the freedom of movement, the right to vote in EU elections etc.

What was confirmed in the ruling yesterday is very important in our constitution. Namely that only Parliament can extend or remove rights to British citizens, Government or the executive (through the Crown Prerogative) can not.

This is perhaps our most critical and fundamental tenet of our constitution, and our citizenship. It protects each and everyone of us from having rights removed without the will of Parliament.

It is our greatest protection as citizens.

I did say it had to be respected?

 

[Joey66]

They were campaigning to stay in ffs, there was no laid out strategy if they lost.

Not the OUT fault?

 

[Joey66]

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So 17. 5 million followed those instructions?

 

[peteblue]

So 17. 5 million followed those instructions?

Jawohl mein herr.........

 

[magicjuan]

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I wouldn't have come into contact with that so wasn't aware of it, however his idea of the establishment os in Brussels, the vote here was against Westminster

 

[Joey66]

I wouldn't have come into contact with that so wasn't aware of it, however his idea of the establishment os in Brussels, the vote here was against Westminster

TBH the Paxman documentary on BBC 2 was the most level headed neutral documentary on the EU filmed in Brussels looking at the two elected parliaments open minded unbiased with facts etc great interviews on the nice and the ugly inside those Parliaments no personal view from him just a good documentary the sort of information either way you decided to vote.
Not the campaign of which we got over here!

 

[joey_macmo]

I wouldn't have come into contact with that so wasn't aware of it, however his idea of the establishment os in Brussels, the vote here was against Westminster

So the leave campaign wasn't campaigning against Brussels but against Westminster?

That's some high quality mental gymnastics I'll give you that

 

[joey_macmo]

So 17. 5 million followed those instructions?

Standard response from you that's nothing to do with the point being made