Current Affairs EU In or Out

[joey_macmo]

I see Rees Mogg is proposing May making 1000 new peers to get it through the lords.

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_581c677de4b09d57a9a848d6

I await the onrush of anger at the Tories trying to subvert the system.

Anytime you're ready...

 

[peteblue]

As always, I think a deal will be struck. The government should give a guarantee that the final agreement will go to a vote in parliament and the MP's should back the vote to initiate article 50. Both sides need to understand that this unseemly quarrel being fought out in the UK and Worlds press does not benefit the UK.

The electorate are now seeing how the political class behave in crystal clarity and the absolute disdain in which they hold many sections of our people. Of course if these warring tribes cannot be contained swiftly and this self defeating damage concluded then the PM should call a General Election with a formal pledge to get out of Europe. As I've said before, many a political career will come to an end if MP's do not follow the will of the people. You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time. This has been an incredible eye opening event for the UK ........

 

[The Esk]

@peteblue you might recall immediately after the referendum vote I called for a General Election and a unity government to see us through what I considered to be an economic crisis but actually now is looking increasingly like a constitutional crisis also.

I would call for a suspension of traditional party politics, a cabinet made of both major parties and representatives of Scotland Ireland, Wales and regional representatives also.

Under appropriate legislation the cabinet would be held to account by all other MPs and of course, the House of Lords.

In effect it would operate similar to a war government.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

As always, I think a deal will be struck. The government should give a guarantee that the final agreement will go to a vote in parliament and the MP's should back the vote to initiate article 50. Both sides need to understand that this unseemly quarrel being fought out in the UK and Worlds press does not benefit the UK.

The electorate are now seeing how the political class behave in crystal clarity and the absolute disdain in which they hold many sections of our people. Of course if these warring tribes cannot be contained swiftly and this self defeating damage concluded then the PM should call a General Election with a formal pledge to get out of Europe. As I've said before, many a political career will come to an end if MP's do not follow the will of the people. You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time. This has been an incredible eye opening event for the UK ........

Many of them with just cause Pete. To borrow a phrase from across the pond, the way in which large sections of the press responded to this process was deplorable, the reaction online to the lady who instigated the legal action was deplorable.

This and other such movements around the world are widely reported to be responses to globalisation from people who feel that it has not worked for them. I know you've argued the case for grammar schools previously by suggesting that the existing system has had 50 years or so to test itself out, but you could equally argue that every person in the land has at least 11 years of free schooling handed them on a plate.

It's a dangerous road imo to paint swathes of the country as victims ignored by the political elite, when migrants in the exact same system do significantly better. All this process seems to be is a chance for them to pass the buck and point the finger for their malaise at foreigners, which is pretty deplorable imo.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I see Rees Mogg is proposing May making 1000 new peers to get it through the lords.

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_581c677de4b09d57a9a848d6

I await the onrush of anger at the Tories trying to subvert the system.

Anytime you're ready...

As predicted a few weeks ago......seeking to do a Lloyd George.

Shameful that he has the temerity to even suggest it publicly, as if it's all part of the game.

Behold the great British democracy that we've supposedly 'got back', demonising the judiciary because they've upheld our constitutional rights and now load the Lords with friendlies in order to ensure that the Govt of the day can steamroller their will through without contest.

 

[Clint Planet]

Saturday 5 November 2016 by Spacey

Threatening people is what makes Britain great, reveals survey

Being able to threaten people who have a different opinion is the cornerstone of British democracy, according to a survey of freedom-loving UK patriots.

The survey, which was carried out by people who repeatedly use the word ‘truth’ in their social media bios, found that British values, such as threats of violence and intimidation instilled a sense of intense national pride.

“My grandfather fought in the war so that I could I go on Twitter and threaten to rape someone,” said Simon Williams from the campaign group Respect Free Speech Or We’ll Rape You.

“If he was alive today, I’m sure he’d be upholding the democracy he fought for by attempting to shut people down with rape threats.

“The trouble with anti-free speech libtards is that they don’t understand what the poppy represents.”

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[Joey66]

Have you and Pete got some weird brexiteer deal going on, in which he uses all your full stops?

........................No
Typical put a balanced post on and a Remoaner slates my diction disappointed it was not what you wanted to read in a balanced neutral post on Brexit

 

[degsy]

@peteblue you might recall immediately after the referendum vote I called for a General Election and a unity government to see us through what I considered to be an economic crisis but actually now is looking
1) increasingly like a constitutional crisis also.

I would call for a suspension of traditional party politics, a cabinet made of both major parties and representatives of Scotland Ireland, Wales and regional representatives also.

Under appropriate legislation the cabinet would be held to account by all other MPs and of course, the House of Lords.

2) in effect it would operate similar to a war government.

1) I take your point but we both know we don't have a written constitution to have a crisis with, what we have is uncharted legal waters, not just the UK side of the Channel, but on the European side too.

'We' can come up with - eventually, what ever version of Brexit we do, full of whatever permutations and amendments we feel we can not live without.
But The EU will have to stick to, for it's own survival, a Draconian interpretation of the very letter of their laws 'Pour decourager les autres'

2) I don't see what good a General Election would've done, or will do in the near future...and since the Tories in their wisdom more or less signed away that right of the PM to call and Election at the drop of a hat...or in previous cases a quick drive in the limo to Buck House.
We now have baring very extenuating circumstances a 'Fixed Term Parliament'
Not to say that the potential circumstances are NOT extenuating.

If we suspend parties, how will we select the candidates, will we have to choose from 'x' Brexiters Vs 'x' Remainers...who will select the candidates given brexiters and remainers were spread over all parties.

It may well end up as a referendum rerun by another name.

Independent none partisan Coalition; Not going to happen.

 

[Anders_Limpar]

........................No
Typical put a balanced post on and a Remoaner slates my diction disappointed it was not what you wanted to read in a balanced neutral post on Brexit

It was a joke, chill out.

To be fair though, it is quite difficult to read two paragraphs without a single full stop or comma. Which may make understanding your point difficult, no matter how balanced.

 

[Joey66]

........................No

It was a joke, chill out.

To be fair though, it is quite difficult to read two paragraphs without a single full stop or comma. Which may make understanding your point difficult, no matter how balanced.

Cheek blurtlol

 

[peteblue]

@peteblue you might recall immediately after the referendum vote I called for a General Election and a unity government to see us through what I considered to be an economic crisis but actually now is looking increasingly like a constitutional crisis also.

I would call for a suspension of traditional party politics, a cabinet made of both major parties and representatives of Scotland Ireland, Wales and regional representatives also.

Under appropriate legislation the cabinet would be held to account by all other MPs and of course, the House of Lords.

In effect it would operate similar to a war government.

Under other conditions that would be a great idea. A War cabinet is easy though as everyone is focussed on beating the enemy. Unfortunately not everyone in the UK can be regarded as a friend in exiting the EU. Sturgeon and the SNP would oppose everything, as would some from NI and the major party remainers. If everyone had shown that they had accepted the result and wanted to work for the best possible exit that would have been great, but unfortunately they haven't really.......

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Under other conditions that would be a great idea. A War cabinet is easy though as everyone is focussed on beating the enemy. Unfortunately not everyone in the UK can be regarded as a friend in exiting the EU. Sturgeon and the SNP would oppose everything, as would some from NI and the major party remainers. If everyone had shown that they had accepted the result and wanted to work for the best possible exit that would have been great, but unfortunately they haven't really.......

All baring the far right Tories would oppose any proposals that would result in us losing our access to the single market.

People have accepted the result, we're leaving the EU, but what rightly hasn't been accepted is that has to come with the cost of torpedoing our economy by losing our single market access.

 

[Seathestars]

I'm sorry, Pete, but noting that Brexit seems to have resulted in an increase in racist/xenophobic incidents is not to say that every brexiteer is like that. I do admit, though, to pointing it out with every hope that brexiteers feel ever so slightly sheepish and less inclined to want to leave the EU since I think it's a factor that must be weighed up in the pros and cons and I think it has come as quite a surprise to some.

I'd imagine it would have been the same if we'd have voted to remain, don't get these idiots confused with brexit.
It was simply an excuse for the racists to fume, much as a football game is for some hooligans, they're not football fans either.

 

[peteblue]

Have you and Pete got some weird brexiteer deal going on, in which he uses all your full stops?

it's a code......

 

[peteblue]

All baring the far right Tories would oppose any proposals that would result in us losing our access to the single market.

People have accepted the result, we're leaving the EU, but what rightly hasn't been accepted is that has to come with the cost of torpedoing our economy by losing our single market access.

Just for fun, imagine that the EU had the power to expel the UK from the EU and the single Market. Now imagine that they actually did that. We are out....... So what would you propose now.......