Current Affairs EU In or Out

[roydo]

Is always second hand anecdotes. But whatever you say. I'm sure a visit to a polling booth turned half the country into goose stepping brownshirts.

I dont think its quite that mate, but in my experience, some, and it is a small some, feel emboldened to make comments, to me, a delivery driver, that I havnt heard until recently.

Not at me, I hasten to add, but about lads who do the same job.

Find it quite ugly.

 

[Clint Planet]

And I haven't seen or heard of any from friends, family, coworkers and fellow bar flies.

You're embarrassing yourself now, Dandy-Pandy. Stop, for heaven's sake! Have some dignity.

[Nobody called me a n****** yesterday so racism must be a myth, etc.....blah...blah........]

 

[Clint Planet]

in my experience, some, and it is a small some, feel emboldened to make comments, to me, a delivery driver, that I havnt heard until recently.

That's it. It's not pretty.

I don't see this country as suddenly "improved" by the brexit vote. Quite the reverse, in fact. It seems to have brought out the worst in some people.

Depressing times.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

I've got friends who've been told (shouted at) to "Go home!" since Brexit

I worked with poles who were told the same in 2006, 7, 8 & 11. One even had his rear windscreen put through (In seacombe, so no great surprise).

Naive to think it wasn't any less an issue pre-referendum. The fearmongering pro-eu politicians gave call for more reporting to countenance something that was there anyway. The pro-EU MP's weren't as arsed abar it until the weeks/month or two running up the the vote, when they made capital from it.

And no - I'm not trying to trivialise it neither.

Is the one what put through "Eagle's office window" representative of the far left of the labour party? (Assuming it was one of them?).

Are the knobheads who kicked off on other Evertonians at wembley representative of Blues?

No. So stop with the veiled attempt to portray the leave voters as fascist thugs or sympathisers, by cherry picking a few events that most people find abhorrent. Try looking at the reasons by listening to the disillusioned disaffected & disenfranchised UK nationals for a change instead of being hypercritical.

Small wonder the country's becoming resentful & narrow-minded, when UK citizens are being forced to work in multinationals for their dole, while the same multinational is employing (and paying a wage to) an inordinate amount of foreigners to work alongside them - because the companies can pay them (foreigners) a lower rate or impose more conditions like ZHC's.

Try listening to the small business owners who would expand, but are/ have been frustrated by EU beuracracy.

But most of all - accept a democratic result, whether you agree with the will of the people or not, they voted. Obfuscating and trying to render that decision null & void will only breed further resentment.

 

[Clint Planet]

Dude. Plastering judges' faces all over the the front page (disapprovingly listing one as "openly gay") because they had the nerve to uphold the law of the land. If you can't see that as the populist rabble-rousing that it is then there's no hope for you.

Well I'm sure being 'openly gay' isn't a crime - wasn't last time I looked. Elton John for one is still a free man, and still appears in that same paper without me seeing any objection from him. Many pro-EU tory MP's are openly gay - I'll bet they'll happily take interviews from the paper to enhance their PR & promote tory policy, tomorrow, next week, next month etc...

I just don't get your point here at all, by the way.

 

[peteblue]

Pete your dots at the end are really annoying.

I know mate.....

 

[Clint Planet]

I worked with poles who were told the same in 2006, 7, 8 & 11. One even had his rear windscreen put through (In seacombe, so no great surprise).

Naive to think it wasn't any less an issue pre-referendum.

Glad to see you acknowledging - unlike Pandy - that it goes on. I never said it wasn't an issue beforehand - just that it has escalated since brexit because certain meatheads obviously feel empowered by the vote.

So far brexit has gained us an increase in "British people embarrassing the nation with their moronic tosserishness," a loss of respect abroad and a nosedive in the value of the Pound. Still waiting for the "Taking back control" (of, erm, summat or other....) and the Jam and scones on Formby Beach on a sweltering July day.

 

[Old Blue 2]

Dude. Plastering judges' faces all over the the front page (disapprovingly listing one as "openly gay") because they had the nerve to uphold the law of the land. If you can't see that as the populist rabble-rousing that it is then there's no hope for you.

They didn't 'uphold' the law of the land. They gave their interpretation of a particular part of an Act of Parliament. That is different to sitting in Judgement in a criminal case, and following precedent (which is classed as the law of the land). I responded to this point exactly a few pages back. Go to page 780, post #11690 to read it.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

I just don't get your point here at all, by the way.

Ok I'll spell it out (before I go to bed).

Where's the 'outrage' from the homosexual community? From the openly gay, pro-EU MP's? From Elton John? Where's the mass picketing of the paper from these peole, that's been reported in other papers or on Tv?

As I said. Those openly gay, pro EU MP's will be in that comic, promoting their tory idealogies once more, pretty soon.

Do you think the judges what hear the case in the supreme court will take any notice of what's written in some rag? Or will they take the pertinent facts into account? I'll go for the latter meself, and like them judges, won't concern meself with what some rag publishes - whether I agree with them about leaving the EU or not.

 

[peteblue]

I never said we weren't. I was observing the unleashing of nastiness and hatred that has followed the Brexit vote. We are already a smaller country for it and we haven't even cleared our desk and sodded off yet.

I agree, I think the nastiness of the remainers is a bit of a disgrace that diminishes our country in the eyes of the world.......

 

[peteblue]

I've got friends who've been told (shouted at) to "Go home!" since Brexit. Parents of a kids we teach report as much, too. It's real.

Tell me, are you actually denying the rise in these incidents?

This is dreadful, but we are all different mate. Don't paint every leave supporter with the same brush otherwise you become no better than the racists .........

 

[Clint Planet]

They didn't 'uphold' the law of the land. They gave their interpretation of a particular part of an Act of Parliament. That is different to sitting in Judgement in a criminal case, and following precedent (which is classed as the law of the land). I responded to this point exactly a few pages back. Go to page 780, post #11690 to read it.

They gave their expert, informed, impartial opinion that Parliament is the sovereign body in this land and so should not be subverted by a government who want to act on glorified - non-binding - opinion poll (even though said government has no idea how to do so).

It is rather troubling that a national newspaper should label them "Enemies of the People" on its front page for doing so. As if Murdoch and the Mail have "the people's" best interests at heart.

Can't you see what's going on here? This is Fascism.

 

[Old Blue 2]

Bang on.

The Brexit vote and its surrounding cocktail of lies, racism and bigotry has palpably diminished us as a nation. The UK feels a smaller, less-likeable place and I don't see any of the benefits that were promised us by the serpent-tongued brexiteers. Parliamentary sovereignty? Ah, so you weren't really interested in British courts ruling on British matters or in the UK Parliament having sovereignty over the political direction of the land. I see. It was just empty-headed xenophobia and political opportunism.

And today's "Enemies of the People" Daily Mail front-page splash is, quite frankly, fascism. The intimidation of the judiciary for upholding the rule of law. Creeping Fascism - nothing more, nothing less.

Well done, all you brexiteers. What a brave new world you have created, to have such sentiments in it.

So, as a leave voter, I'm a liar, racist, and bigot. I got a week's ban for saying less than that!

The UK feels no different in size to me...

Oh, another one: Xenophobia. Keep clocking the insults up!

Several years ago, Henry Juskewitz, the owner of Gibson guitars, claimed all those who did not want to move forward into an age where auto-tuners were attached to the headstock of all Gibson guitars, and did not want a slew of effects within the guitar itself, were all 'Luddites'. Those who simply want to retain the 'status quo' within the corrupt organisation that is the EU certainly fall into the category of LUDDITES. Best you go sit around with your luddite mates and whimper about keeping everything the same, and never changing...

 

[mightymoyes]

They didn't 'uphold' the law of the land. They gave their interpretation of a particular part of an Act of Parliament. That is different to sitting in Judgement in a criminal case, and following precedent (which is classed as the law of the land). I responded to this point exactly a few pages back. Go to page 780, post #11690 to read it.

do we live in a parliamentary democracy or not?
the judges verdict was the only logical one.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

That's it. It's not pretty.

I don't see this country as suddenly "improved" by the brexit vote. Quite the reverse, in fact. It seems to have brought out the worst in some people.

Depressing times.

For 'some people' read 'The worst in society who will be and were always there anyway - EU, or no EU'. (If it weren't EU nationals it'd be some other section of society - probly is too, come to think of it.)

Each side has it's divs...

Evertonians will always be great, and always were, but there's some knobheads you sometimes wish were kopites.

EDIT: That last sentence applies to the bellends at wembley...Not anyone with the opposite EU view to me