Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Good fella, because I was talking to @Whistlin' Dixie

There's a reason we don't vote on everything.

What's the reason?

We don't know enough? Not even a layman's idea of what's going on?

A veiled, snide remark from Attenborough imo. Best not vote for the thicko's in parliament, who invariably get more wrong than right.

Also a good way of alienating more people from politics altogether.

 

[Joey66]

Good fella, because I was talking to @Whistlin' Dixie

Thank God for that!

 

[Barnfred 55]

You weren't 12 when we voted to go into the EU because we were never given a vote on joining it. We voted to join the Common Market in 1975. The Common Market was replaced by the EU in 1993 without the consent or even consulting the electorate.

If that's meant as an educational point well thank you very much.

if it's meant to counter my argument, the words straws and clutching comes to mind.

 

[carlos21]

Thank God for that!

How come when you are changing your iPad the battery goes.

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

What's the reason?

We don't know enough? Not even a layman's idea of what's going on?

A veiled, snide remark from Attenborough imo. Best not vote for the thicko's in parliament, who invariably get more wrong than right.

Also a good way of alienating more people from politics altogether.

The reason we don't vote on everything is because we'd make crap choices. That is the point of a Parliamentary democracy. It is representative as opposed to direct.

Attenborough:

In an interview with Emily Maitlis in the new issue of Radio Times, Attenborough also said he was worried the "catastrophic" disregard for expert opinion is damaging to democracy.

"There's confusion, isn't there, between populism and parliamentary democracy," he told Radio Times. " I mean, that's why we're in the mess we are with Brexit, is it not?"

In the interview, Attenborough cites politician Ken Clarke's new book, in which the Tory MP claims that if people were asked whether they'd like a National Gallery or a funfair they'd vote for the funfair.

"Do we really want to live by this kind of referendum?" Attenborough asked. "What we mean by parliamentary democracy is surely that we find someone we respect who we think is probably wiser than we are, who is prepared to take the responsibility of pondering difficult things and then trust him – or her – to vote on our behalf."

 

[1966efc]

The MP's I've come across have been well informed. Wise? Rarely.

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

The MP's I've come across have been well informed. Wise? Rarely.

Most of the people I've met have been poorly informed and not wise either.

Better of with the better informed.

 

[1966efc]

Most of the people I've met have been poorly informed and not wise either.

Better of with the better informed.

We mix in different circles. Suppose it depend on how 'wisdom2 is defined.

Clearly informed people can use that as a weapon for ill, can't they?

And at this point I give up the attempt to show I care.

 

[joey_macmo]

The MP's I've come across have been well informed. Wise? Rarely.

True but still better than being ill informed

 

[Joey66]

Most of the people I've met have been poorly informed and not wise either.

Better of with the better informed.

Will we ever aee you on mastermind when you win that start bragging?

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Attenborough quotes (the wholly impartial and deffo not a europhile) ken clarke and uses him as an example of why we should let him vote on our behalf.

Why not go the whole hog and use Alan Duncan (Who actually did call the electorate 'thick') Or Grant Shapps (Who's conservatives gave us beer & bingo - just what we like?)

'sakes...

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

lol

We mix in different circles. Suppose it depend on how 'wisdom2 is defined.

Clearly informed people can use that as a weapon for ill, can't they?

And at this point I give up the attempt to show I care.

Yep
lol

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

If that's meant as an educational point well thank you very much.

if it's meant to counter my argument, the words straws and clutching comes to mind.

It was an educational point while being a bit sarcastic mate.
For what worth though I generally agree with the point you were making.

 

[roydo]

Will we ever aee you on mastermind when you win that start bragging?

Can we keep the personal jibes to oneself please? Not just you btw.

 

[peteblue]

And so it begins......

"Pontypridd MP Owen Smith, who was defeated in his bid to be elected Labour leader this summer, seized on this morning’s verdict by judges to push for a re-running of the historic vote to quit the EU.

Despite a majority of the British public backing Brexit, with 17.4million supporting Leave on June 23, Mr Smith called for UK voters to be given the “final say” on the “real terms” of Brexit in another ballot.

But Mr Smith’s demand sparked immediate claims from fellow Labour MPs the party would be “committing electoral suicide” by agitating for a second referendum."