Current Affairs EU In or Out

[The Esk]

Just think that the wide ranging statement that Brexit will bring about the removal of citizens rights, is the sort of statement the attention seeking gutter press might make. Sorry mate

Assuming Brexit occurs, I acknowledge the only sensible process is to enshrine European law into UK law in order to keep what we want to keep and remove what we want to remove, and that process will be done by legislation passed in the usual manner. That is sensible, democratic and practical.

However not withstanding that, my and your rights will change the second we leave the EU. We will not automatically be able to live, work, visit or trade across all 28 member states - that's the inescapable impact of leaving the Single Market (assumption that that is part of the Brexit negotiations, as per the Government's public statements.)

Therefore my assertion that my rights are reduced and thus should only be determined by Parliament not Government is (IMO) totally correct and in no way alarmist.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

I like the fact that everything we made changes to the EU treaties, handing more powers to the EU, they were done using this prerogative and any resultant court challenge failed. Now it was wanted to be used to take away powers from the EU the court has taken a completely opposite view. There is now also the possibility that this will end up at the ECJ regarding the irreversibility of article 50. I think every election or decision that is taken in this country will now end up in court.......

No Pete, the only times it will end up in court are when us plebs have the temerity to vote against what our betters have told us to. Today was their way of saying don't rock the boat, obviously democracy is only acceptable to the establishment when it works in their favour.

 

[Joey66]

Must not bring up the bus
Must not bring up the bus
Must not bring up the bus
Must not bring up the bus
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Don't forget Osbornes and cameron 8 million £ pamphlet bruce both side were at it I can see Farage staying on now till article 50 is signed!
Bad for labour is a GE is announced - just seen stephen kinnock give two interviews with two different circumstances ways on how he would votelol

 

[degsy]

Re my earlier comments on it should only ever be Parliament that decides changes to the rights of British citizens, and that is what the High Court has essentially considered, is confirmed here:

Even the most thick skinned MP will be careful of challenging 'the will of the people, albeit only 52% of them and actually vote anti brexit.

I think there will be a push for a 'substantive vote'(?) by May, aka a quick yes or no, then press the article 50 button, before we / she gets bogged down in the whys and where fors of a brexit lite and all it's yes but no but yes but no do I look bovvered terms and conditions etc.

and I'm not too sure the actual Europeans will stand for anything but all or nothing.

 

[The Esk]

From the Lord Chief Justice:

“The court does not accept the argument put forward by the government. There is nothing in the 1972 European Communities Act to support it. In the judgment of the court, the argument is contrary both to the language used by parliament in the 1972 act, and to the fundamental principles of the sovereignty of parliament and the absence of any entitlement on the part of the crown to change domestic law by the exercise of its prerogative powers.”

 

[joey_macmo]

Fararge is one man and doesn't represent anyone. The remainers have been given far more credence then leave would of been given if the vote had gone the other way. If it had ended 52% to remain the media (and everyone else for that matter) would of dismissed Fararge out of hand. I personally think the idea of ignoring any election/referendum result is disgusting regardless of which way the vote goes.

You do realise one of the claimants was/is on the leave "side" don't you?

 

[degsy]

From the Lord Chief Justice:

“The court does not accept the argument put forward by the government. There is nothing in the 1972 European Communities Act to support it. In the judgment of the court, the argument is contrary both to the language used by parliament in the 1972 act, and to the fundamental principles of the sovereignty of parliament and the absence of any entitlement on the part of the crown to change domestic law by the exercise of its prerogative powers.”

aka; parliament has to actually vote?

 

[joey_macmo]

A lot of people who claimed to have researched the subject of the referendum still making it patently clear that they did not understand the process whatsoever.

 

[bring back the catt]

Bruce admit it you're addicted to googling the facts you want to see!lol

It's associated with the noun 'scotoma', which is a condition of lack of vision. When it is coupled with the noun 'myopia', it then becomes a condition of " seeing only what one chooses to see".

 

[joey_macmo]

From the Lord Chief Justice:

“The court does not accept the argument put forward by the government. There is nothing in the 1972 European Communities Act to support it. In the judgment of the court, the argument is contrary both to the language used by parliament in the 1972 act, and to the fundamental principles of the sovereignty of parliament and the absence of any entitlement on the part of the crown to change domestic law by the exercise of its prerogative powers.”

Even a layman like myself understood that the government had very little chance in this case.

As a few said in this very thread a while ago it's surprising it got as far as the high court.

 

[joey_macmo]

It's associated with the noun 'scotoma', which is a condition of lack of vision. When it is coupled with the noun 'myopia', it then becomes a condition of " seeing only what one chooses to see".

Joey knows all about that condition chief don't you worry

 

[sbbefc]

I'd imagine that mps will vote in line with the result of the referendum within their own constituencies.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Assuming Brexit occurs, I acknowledge the only sensible process is to enshrine European law into UK law in order to keep what we want to keep and remove what we want to remove, and that process will be done by legislation passed in the usual manner. That is sensible, democratic and practical.

However not withstanding that, my and your rights will change the second we leave the EU. We will not automatically be able to live, work, visit or trade across all 28 member states - that's the inescapable impact of leaving the Single Market (assumption that that is part of the Brexit negotiations, as per the Government's public statements.)

Therefore my assertion that my rights are reduced and thus should only be determined by Parliament not Government is (IMO) totally correct and in no way alarmist.

Thats fine mate. If you had made that post first time around I wouldnt have questioned it.

 

[The Esk]

Jonathan Freedland in the Guardian

"Surely those who should be cheering today’s high court judgment the loudest are the people who have been the most passionate defenders of parliamentary sovereignty. So rejoice, Daniel Hannan: the judges have heeded your earnest plea to make parliament supreme. Put out the bunting, Michael Gove: your insistence that Westminster be the ultimate arbiter of our national affairs has been given the judicial seal of approval. Let all those who spent the spring trumpeting the glory of England, hailing it as the mother of parliaments, can now celebrate their victory.

Except, of course, they won’t. Those who campaigned for leave in the name of wrestling power from Brussels to Westminster went strangely quiet when it came to the question decided by the court today: who has the power to trigger article 50? Suddenly they found that parliament was not quite so sacred or central, that some things were best left to ministers to decide.

Well, the judges have called out that hypocrisy. They have decided that the Brexiteers should have to comply with their own logic – and bow to parliament"

 

[neil999]

if every mp voted as per their constituency would brexit win? interesting to see if the popular vote reflects seats in parliament