Current Affairs EU In or Out

[catcherintherye]

Skilled migration with a job to come too Deffo no car blanched free movement no!

Thats fair enough Joe, but you would be surprised how few people come for unskilled work. That will go down now anyway with the devaluation of the pound.

 

[tsubaki]

I've mentioned the work of Harvard's Dani Rodrick a few times, and he suggests that globalisation can only continue if people accept two of the following:

- economic integration
- democratic politics
- the nation state

I'd quite happily do away with the latter.

As for Hungary - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37158330 (a lot of other sources covered the story if the BBC isn't your poison)

The problem is that globalization as it currently occurs is looking to get rid of the second choice, not the third.

 

[catcherintherye]

That's an excellent response btw. I think we will end up with some compromise that all the politicians can claim to be in their nations interest. Selective movement or whatever will probably do it. Like you I totally believe that the EU will not be stupid over WTO. I like the point about who makes from current immigration regarding apprenticeships but fear that ways would just be found to get around it, nice idea though.......

Thanks mate, I know it wasn't addressed at me but I am probably on a similar side to desk so worth responding.

I am not Owen Jones's biggest fan but he made some reasonable points on this, saying why not look at grants to areas/councils with higher levels of migration? I do think there's little doubt that migrants add to the country but also for lots of people thats not their direct experience. In a world where people don't trust politicians it just becomes seen as a lie and a response that treats people as if they are stupid (which is kind of the liberal response) doesn't help.

I think you are probably correct. They definitely will not restrict the movement of financial professionals though as it would be completely stupid too.

 

[orchard]

Do not assume that the taxpayer is picking up any bill. I would suggest you wait to hear the details......

I'm not the one assuming. Those that assert it's a good thing without knowing the details are, which was the point.

 

[The Esk]

Do not assume that the taxpayer is picking up any bill. I would suggest you wait to hear the details......

So we are to believe that Nissan just took May at her word because she says it will all turn out OK?

 

[orchard]

Stop being silly, or are you a WUM

I don't mind, but there you go getting personal again rather than substantiating some cliché you've remembered.

 

[peteblue]

Cracking article for a second referendum written by a person who voted for Brexit - for some of the more agreeable reasons.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-tony-blair-radio-four-second-referendum-a7384676.html

I like they way he's already made his mind up that a hard Brexit will make everybody poorer without considering other opportunities. They have been very clever with this hard/soft I.e. bad/good Brexit spin before we have even sent the note. If I had to guess the author it would probably be Nick Clegg.....Sean O'Grady previously wrote about "Could Hillary Clinton start a world war? Sure as hell she could – and here’s how".....

 

[Joey66]

Thats fair enough Joe, but you would be surprised how few people come for unskilled work. That will go down now anyway with the devaluation of the pound.

If unskilled workers are needed,and vetted with a work permits no problems there imo as it is Controlled lmigration!

 

[peteblue]

So we are to believe that Nissan just took May at her word because she says it will all turn out OK?

I don't know, she may have offered the proposal I put forward the other day. All we currently know for sure is that we don't know......

 

[Joey66]

I don't mind, but there you go getting personal again rather than substantiating some cliché you've remembered.

Ha ha wum

 

[catcherintherye]

If unskilled workers are needed,and vetted with a work permits no problems there imo as it is Controlled lmigration!

Well yes, that what they are angling for. I'm not sure it's worth the trade over the single market for though. It also seems very bureaucratic.

 

[Armel]

In pre-historic times, identity was crucial to our social and intellectual development. Today, feeling part of something is still a hugely important facet of the human experience. Nation states are ready-made for this.

It's part of our nature to feel tied to our nationality, for it's the earliest identity we know.

In todays' globalised world, there are interesting developments like those with dual-nationalities (like myself) or migrant parents, but for most of the world people have a foundation mono-identity from birth and you can't expect to just do away with the concept so easily.

I've nothing against people feeling patriotic, privilege, pride and identity based on their nation of birth. As long as they're not hurting anyone it should be a non-issue. Should in fact be celebrated as it's because of such things that our world can boast so many fascinatingly-different cultures.

Imagine if the whole world was like London?

Hmm I take it you are not a big fan of Benedict Anderson ?

 

[orchard]

Ha ha wum

Erm...

 

[Donald Twain]

Do not assume that the taxpayer is picking up any bill. I would suggest you wait to hear the details......

I wouldn't hold my breath on any 'details' being heard tbh!

 

[Joey66]

Well yes, that what they are angling for. I'm not sure it's worth the trade over the single market for though. It also seems very bureaucratic.

It's not just that is it ?