Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Pienaar's gloves]

Whenever Esk is in the wrong he always says it is undeniable.....its one of the tricks of the trade......

I mean there's nothing in his last post that's really even open to interpretation.

 

[peteblue]

A piece of recent thinking by some top people in the EU is a plan to combat Tax avoidance and evasion.

To harmonise business tax across the EU member states to remove competition to attract business. This will hurt the likes of Eire and that miniscule nonenity that Juncker came from. Effectively it will remove budgetary powers from member states who will see because of that their spending severely controlled. Not passed yet but does show the forward thinking that is in Brussels.

It's pretty well a standard approach, create a problem then suggest the answer is to cede more powers to the EU. Even though the CETA business was embarrassing it nevertheless gives the EU the opportunity to say "see we told you that everyone having a vote is unworkable, much better to just let the EU commission negotiate and sign off". Now just watch how long it is before this comes out, definitely within 2016..........

 

[peteblue]

Think the EU is bigger than the UK though.

This is undeniable........

 

[roydo]

This is undeniable........

Thought thats what he said.

 

[peteblue]

I mean there's nothing in his last post that's really even open to interpretation.

Apart from the fact that all members are the same, there are no ones weightier than the rest. Now Esk may well have been talking politically, but I don't think he was, but even there the UK has a lot going for it.

Just for once, don't follow like a puppy, make your own mind up. I disagree with most people on here at some point, even those that I sometimes agree with.....the day I see you argue with the Esk will show me the day you develop independent thought......however I expect you to disagree with this.......

 

[peteblue]

Thought thats what he said.

That's undeniable......unless you check the exact wording.......

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

Apart from the fact that all members are the same, there are no ones weightier than the rest. Now Esk may well have been talking politically, but I don't think he was, but even there the UK has a lot going for it.

Just for once, don't follow like a puppy, make your own mind up. I disagree with most people on here at some point, even those that I sometimes agree with.....the day I see you argue with the Esk will show me the day you develop independent thought......however I expect you to disagree with this.......

No honestly, before you try to psychoanalyse, it's pretty much the case.

Maybe he is more akin to putting together a reasonable argument than many others.

And I'm not going to search the vaults for some example of me disagreeing with his point of view.

I'm surprised that your targeting my ability to think independently, I don't mean to blow my own trumpet too hard but I think I've been a better example of such thinking than posters I presume are a good deal more experienced in life than myself.

 

[hullefc]

Us

Well the EU economy is on its knees Italian banks on the brink of going under the deuchland bank under investigation by the USA - The Spanish economy highest youth unemployment- zero growth, and the Uk electorate just voted to leave
Yes the EU is doing great maybe that's what the turbulence in that Rticle means as the EU is a member of the WTO????

Joey, I don't know where you get it from that somehow I think the EU is 'good' either economically, politically and socially, so you have to counter something I say with pointing out how 'bad' the EU is for 'youth unemployment' or Zero growth or 'on its knees' etc., as that couldn't be further from the truth.

Part of making the world economy not being in 'good shape' is debt that will cause 'turbulence'. Any shock that hits London property prices, like banks and/or insurance institutes leaving will set in motion a collapse of property prices, similar to what happened in 2008. UK banks and financial institutes are exposed to such turmoil due to their lending for property mostly to the Far East. That is why making sure the UK financial institutes have access to the EU is imperative and is the number one priority of those negotiating to leave the UK. The May government knows it as does the EU. It is the UK's Achilles heel.

Most banks are under investigation in the US and UK banks have been fined the most for underhand activities e.g Libor. Deutsche bank is being fined a record amount, and if the US continues with this, will bankrupt it and send shock waves through the world financial system. Why the US are fining Deutsche bank disproportionately, compared to what it lent, and to other banks, is open to interpretation. But it will cause turbulence.

If Italian banks and Deutsche bank goes under this will effect the world financial system and in turn the UK as it has exposure.

 

[peteblue]

No honestly, before you try to psychoanalyse, it's pretty much the case.

Maybe he is more akin to putting together a reasonable argument than many others.

And I'm not going to search the vaults for some example of me disagreeing with his point of view.

I'm surprised that your targeting my ability to think independently, I don't mean to blow my own trumpet too hard but I think I've been a better example of such thinking than posters I presume are a good deal more experienced in life than myself.

The only reason I bother replying is because you show promise, and as you say many of us are indeed a good deal more experienced in life, but that doesn't make us right. However, as I'm sure you will admit, if only to yourself, not everything that everyone on here says is correct. Many of the things Joey posts are correct, and some are not, similarly with myself, Esk, Roydo, Toffeelover, etc etc.....just post what you really believe, and when something associated with Brexit sounds good or positive then say so.......life is much more than black and White.......

 

[hullefc]

These kind of things really annoy, look at the operative words in bold. Specualtion.

Glad to know speculation annoys you. Thanks for sharing that.

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

The only reason I bother replying is because you show promise, and as you say many of us are indeed a good deal more experienced in life, but that doesn't make us right. However, as I'm sure you will admit, if only to yourself, not everything that everyone on here says is correct. Many of the things Joey posts are correct, and some are not, similarly with myself, Esk, Roydo, Toffeelover, etc etc.....just post what you really believe, and when something associated with Brexit sounds good or positive then say so.......life is much more than black and White.......

I have done so on a number of occasions. If you delve far enough back I provided a list of good reasons for Brexit.

Unlike some others I believe we should trigger the leaving process.

I also believe, as you're aware, that on balance we are better off in the EU and now more importantly, I am highly sceptical that we will settle most of the major issues brought about by leaving in a satisfactory manor.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

The only reason I bother replying is because you show promise, and as you say many of us are indeed a good deal more experienced in life, but that doesn't make us right. However, as I'm sure you will admit, if only to yourself, not everything that everyone on here says is correct. Many of the things Joey posts are correct, and some are not, similarly with myself, Esk, Roydo, Toffeelover, etc etc.....just post what you really believe, and when something associated with Brexit sounds good or positive then say so.......life is much more than black and White.......

With all due respect, I have not once read any of your posts that have praised anything the EU has done, nor have I read any that have highlighted any of the potentially detrimental effects of leaving.

 

[Joey66]

Apart from the fact that all members are the same, there are no ones weightier than the rest. Now Esk may well have been talking politically, but I don't think he was, but even there the UK has a lot going for it.

Just for once, don't follow like a puppy, make your own mind up. I disagree with most people on here at some point, even those that I sometimes agree with.....the day I see you argue with the Esk will show me the day you develop independent thought......however I expect you to disagree with this.......

When I was a young student Horticulturist in a lesson of propagation,I knew the lecturer well I held my hand up and asked the question - How do you take a cutting of an Asshole Creeper - The class laughed, but I was put down immediately by the lecturer - Joey there's more than enough of them out there without propagating them!
Is that what that post is alluding too?lol

 

[peteblue]

With all due respect, I have not once read any of your posts that have praised anything the EU has done, nor have I read any that have highlighted any of the potentially detrimental effects of leaving.

Then you will have missed when I said that I voted to join the Common Market/EEC and what a great thing it was. You will have also missed when I pointed out that leaving was indeed a risk, but a risk worth taking. I take your point though because we do tend to either look to the positive or the negative and indeed you may have missed when I even suggested that perhaps we should all adopt the opposite viewpoint and change our arguments.....but you are right......

 

[Joey66]

Joey, I don't know where you get it from that somehow I think the EU is 'good' either economically, politically and socially, so you have to counter something I say with pointing out how 'bad' the EU is for 'youth unemployment' or Zero growth or 'on its knees' etc., as that couldn't be further from the truth.

Part of making the world economy not being in 'good shape' is debt that will cause 'turbulence'. Any shock that hits London property prices, like banks and/or insurance institutes leaving will set in motion a collapse of property prices, similar to what happened in 2008. UK banks and financial institutes are exposed to such turmoil due to their lending for property mostly to the Far East. That is why making sure the UK financial institutes have access to the EU is imperative and is the number one priority of those negotiating to leave the UK. The May government knows it as does the EU. It is the UK's Achilles heel.

Most banks are under investigation in the US and UK banks have been fined the most for underhand activities e.g Libor. Deutsche bank is being fined a record amount, and if the US continues with this, will bankrupt it and send shock waves through the world financial system. Why the US are fining Deutsche bank disproportionately, compared to what it lent, and to other banks, is open to interpretation. But it will cause turbulence.

If Italian banks and Deutsche bank goes under this will effect the world financial system and in turn the UK as it has exposure.

All sounds great, and the EU is the best thing since sliced bread not!