Doesn't this show that the 'small guy' gets a hearing and is at odds with this claim by "Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and Gisela Stuart, have described the EU as “a dysfunctional bureaucracy that has no proper democratic oversight”. Seems like at this moment in time, which can change, 3 million Belgiums are holding all the aces with their 'oversight' of EU negotiations.
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Doesn't this show that the 'small guy' gets a hearing and is at odds with this claim by "Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and Gisela Stuart, have described the EU as “a dysfunctional bureaucracy that has no proper democratic oversight”. Seems like at this moment in time, which can change, 3 million Belgiums are holding all the aces with their 'oversight' of EU negotiations.
I voted to remain, but everyone I know who voted to leave (and there is a fair few off them) all knew why they wanted to leave, and not all for the same reasons.
The reason why I think it's all becoming to sound patronizing now is, I've heard a few people now come across as sort of making out (but not directly saying it) that those from poor working class backgrounds/area's didn't know what they actually voted for, and we (the politicians) are only thinking about them, and want to help.
'Unlike most modern states, Britain does not have a codified constitution but an unwritten one formed of Acts of Parliament, court judgements and conventions' British Library. The executive is always very selective when it attempts to do something it wants, or does want, and declares it is 'constitutional'.
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I seem to remember Gordon Brown being firecely upposed when he suggested turning it all into one straightforward document.
The establishment are very contented for the UK not having a written constitution as that would bring in 'citizens and human rights'. You only have to see how they froth at the mouth with the European Court of Human Rights to see what they think of citizens and human rights.
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He was right to; I doubt any generation of politicians could be trusted to do that, least of all the current set. The protections against arbitrary behaviour from the state that have built up over hundreds of years in common law are probably unrivaled and should not be tinkered with.
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That's true mate, and it is their duty to make the case..for both sides.
I personally made my own mind up. After all, that's what the vote was all about, not electing politicians
You're implying that mostly people who voted leave didn't have a clue what they were voting for. If remain had won, I'd be disappointed of course, but I certainly wouldn't be calling for the whole democratic process to be ignored because I didn't get my own way (not saying for one minute you fit this category as I have read some of your posts)
For what's it's worth. My own MP was staunch remain. I listened to both sides of the argument and weighed things up carefully before voting. Yes my MP is my voted representative but on this occasion they couldn't be more wrong in my eyes. I could say there are as many remain voters who didn't have a scooby doo what they were voting for, but that's a silly thing to say and extremely patronising.
I think it's time we pulled together and make a go of it. It is happening. We can't just move the goal posts if we don't like it.
Just like last night - Italy and Austria voting down sanctions against Putin last night as they have trade deals proving th EU is an Im a a alright jack organistisation the referendrum was a vote of OUT it will proceed the sooner the better IMO!
27 countries who just argue all day they did it on serous migration on an epic scale, and closed the doors when the horse had bolted, they are so irrisonsible it's sad!
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I am not sure that being held in contempt by the likes of them is that much of a bad thing, to be honest. Nor was she wrong to point out that, until we leave, we should have a say in what is going on.
But aren't the Austrians looking after their interests like the UK have always done in the EU? Surely, you can't blame 3 million Belgiums and the Austrians for sticking up for their interests?
'Brexit means Brexit' but the Tories are making a right mess of it. They have not only dealt their own hand but shown it over and over. Passporting for the financial sector, tariffs on cars, EU migrants and the affect it would have on the economy and the NHS, money, 'hard or soft' border in Ireland, Scotland wanting to stay in the EU.
Yep, pretty much. If I lived in the UK, I would have voted remain, but the will of the people must be applied. It's amazing how much fear-mongering is now being employed by the Remain side, despite accusing the Leavers of winning the referendum by the very same means.
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They are, but that is because Cameron and now May are trying to weasel out of the referendum result. If they were genuine they would have activated Article 50 the day after the referendum, which would have concentrated minds, provided a framework (and some certainty) and brought about meaningful negotiation.
Instead we have this absurdity, that is damaging the economy (probably deliberately) and bringing about confusion.
The UK are an integral part of the G20 and loves nothing better than to network and pontificate to the world about issues at G20 summits, so I suppose it can always hold itself in contempt.
May seems to think that by attempting to use the 'we pay so we can have a say' line this will bring dividends. It won't, it will harden attitudes on the continent as is evident today. Ever time May opens her mouth she puts her foot into it. Sometimes even more than Boris Johnson, and that takes some doing.
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