Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Tubey]

a) Because the country can't afford it.
b) Because a lot of it depends on the parents. Children who don't come from parents who prioritize academic achievement and therefore have little interest in school pull down the kids who do. Generally parents who come from affluent areas have parents who do prioritize school.

I know this isn't a politically correct thing to say but it's the truth.

Yes they can. It's not about monetary input - it's about approach and mindset.

Also, it really isn't anything to do with parents - it's a nonsense to say poor parents care less about their kids education - they simply have less choice.

Political correctness has failed the education system. There's been a reluctance to say some kids are better (and worse) than others in school, and instead they just plow on with one set curriculum that will benefit 10% of the whole school and turn off the rest.

Kids aren't allowed to "win" in PE sports anymore. They've phased out "gifted and talented" groupings because they were afraid of recognising difference.

And that's why grammar schools work, because they have the capability to say "yes, these kids are better than other kids, we can teach them to a higher level". My argument is that we simply take that mindset and put it in place in existing schools.

 

[scratchnsurf]

Yes they can. It's not about monetary input - it's about approach and mindset.

Also, it really isn't anything to do with parents - it's a nonsense to say poor parents care less about their kids education - they simply have less choice.

Political correctness has failed the education system. There's been a reluctance to say some kids are better (and worse) than others in school, and instead they just plow on with one set curriculum that will benefit 10% of the whole school and turn off the rest.

Kids aren't allowed to "win" in PE sports anymore. They've phased out "gifted and talented" groupings because they were afraid of recognising difference.

And that's why grammar schools work, because they have the capability to say "yes, these kids are better than other kids, we can teach them to a higher level". My argument is that we simply take that mindset and put it in place in existing schools.

Whilst I agree with a lot of this, I can't agree that it's nothing to do with parents because they do have a major influence on the child's attitude to school and the environment which children are brought up in will impact their academic performance. As for gifted and talented, try and find a consensus as to what it actually means and you'll see why it's disappearring from the educational landscape.

 

[Tubey]

Whilst I agree with a lot of this, I can't agree that it's nothing to do with parents because they do have a major influence on the child's attitude to school and the environment which children are brought up in will impact their academic performance. As for gifted and talented, try and find a consensus as to what it actually means and you'll see why it's disappearring from the educational landscape.

I didn't say it had nothing to do with them; I said they had fewer choices to positive influence things.

 

[Joey66]

LBC radio on funding for Schools its that bad now where a slow child in the classroom years ago could get a statement for special tuition down to the lack of funding Schools are now sending autistic kids home if they cant cope, or telling the parents to keep them away and find another school as the disruption is too much in a nutshell if you post funds in schools in state education has plenty of money teacher wise the the programme I listened too stated the opposite!
The idea that no special schools for disabled or leaning difficulties children were supposed to mix seems to be faling the comprehensive levels in all ages!
One lady told the presenter she is lucky if her child with mild autism is luck if he gets 6 hours in lessons per week it was a feccuring theme on the debate of lack of funds in state schools!

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Yeah, it's the "one size fits all" approach. So the schools are doing one curriculum aimed at the "average" student, meaning the gifted and the less so are completely stranded.

Rather than start gating off kids from achieving, the impetus should be on having the apparatus in place to teach every child according to their need.

Got to be more to it than that hasn't there? More money or better teachers or something. I thought most free schools had freedom to decide on the way they teach now anyway?

 

[scratchnsurf]

I didn't say it had nothing to do with them; I said they had fewer choices to positive influence things.

I guess I misunderstood the part where you said, 'it really isn't anything to do with parents.'

 

[joey_macmo]

Looks like the MP's are going to get a vote anyway. Was always going to be the case looking at the House of Lords document posted last week.

 

[orchard]

Great isn't it?! Each and every mp on record as to whether they recognise they represent their constituencies before party dogma/personal interests.
Buckle-up, this could be entertaining.

Looks like the MP's are going to get a vote anyway. Was always going to be the case looking at the House of Lords document posted last week.

 

[Joey66]

Great isn't it?! Each and every mp on record as to whether they recognise they represent their constituencies before party dogma/personal interests.
Buckle-up, this could be entertaining.

A rumoured GE next spring after article 50 is signed taps nose!
Watching May today even with Corbyn trying to perform better which he is - one look off her silenced the barrackers on the Labour benches she is no David Cameron she looks formidable imo if she gets in with a bigger majority then the sparks will fly!

 

[MartyMcFly]

Yes they can. It's not about monetary input - it's about approach and mindset.

Also, it really isn't anything to do with parents - it's a nonsense to say poor parents care less about their kids education - they simply have less choice.

Political correctness has failed the education system. There's been a reluctance to say some kids are better (and worse) than others in school, and instead they just plow on with one set curriculum that will benefit 10% of the whole school and turn off the rest.

Kids aren't allowed to "win" in PE sports anymore. They've phased out "gifted and talented" groupings because they were afraid of recognising difference.

And that's why grammar schools work, because they have the capability to say "yes, these kids are better than other kids, we can teach them to a higher level". My argument is that we simply take that mindset and put it in place in existing schools.

It isn't nonsense. I went to a grammar school. There were plenty of kids from poorer backgrounds. Very few went on to university and well paying professional jobs.

Ironically now those kids all did well but they did well in things like construction etc where their intelligence allowed them to attain managerial positions and go on to own companies etc but academically while they had the ability they didn't care and their parents didn't make them.

Parents can be resentful of kids especially those that feel that their own lives weren't as successful as it should have been. Sad but true.

I agree with everything else you said regarding kids having various differing abilities but I guess it will take another 20 odd years for people on the left to also agree with my point regarding parents.

 

[orchard]

That's all she's got though, there are so many factions being created her knickers will be in such a twist she'll fall flat on her face in front of a full house.

A rumoured GE next spring after article 50 is signed taps nose!
Watching May today even with Corbyn trying to perform better which he is - one look off her silenced the barrackers on the Labour benches she is no David Cameron she looks formidable imo if she gets in with a bigger majority then the sparks will fly!

 

[MartyMcFly]

Looks like the MP's are going to get a vote anyway. Was always going to be the case looking at the House of Lords document posted last week.

It's horrible for Labour and Lib Dems. Conservatives will use the party whip to vote it through anyway and the rest of the MPs will essentially be voting to go against the democratic wishes of the people.

 

[Joey66]

That's all she's got though, there are so many factions being created her knickers will be in such a twist she'll fall flat on her face in front of a full house.

Hence the strong rumour of a GE with a bigger majority which she needs, just a rumour if you gets back in with it article 50 will be signed it would be a very clever move by her imo -
I cannot vote for Corbyn as a labour voter!

 

[orchard]

I know Joey, you've mentioned it once or twice

Hence the strong rumour of a GE with a bigger majority
which she needs, just a rumour if you gets back in with it article 50 will be signed it would be a very clever move by her imo -

I cannot vote for Corbyn as a labour voter!

 

[hullefc]

Hence the strong rumour of a GE with a bigger majority which she needs, just a rumour if you gets back in with it article 50 will be signed it would be a very clever move by her imo -
I cannot vote for Corbyn as a labour voter!

The longer May does not call a General Election, the more the Tories will tear themselves apart over Europe getting nastier in the process. The longer she delays, the more Johnson, Davis, Fox and others, shoot themselves in the foot and make themselves a laughing stock with their contradictions and positions over leaving the EU.