Smallpox piped them down centuries ago.
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Smallpox piped them down centuries ago.
Or you are splitting hairs as usual to win any argument?
dandydan
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Didn't syphilis originate in the new world? Fair trade if you ask me.
GerryandthePaceMerchants
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No-one's knocked on my door offering me free house that was going to go to the plague of turks yet, what's going on??
My old boss stated it was in bold the downfall of the Roman empire?
MartyMcFly
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Maybe the poor kids aren't smart.
What Grammar schools do is give the poor smart kids a chance. Comprehensive does nothing. It just limits your chances of going to a good school to those in your area or those your parents can afford. How does that help any poor kids?
joey_macmo
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You think that is an accurate representation of someone's academic abilities. For every 40 kids from "affluent" areas there is only 1 from a "poor background" that is on the same level?
Do me a favour
orchard
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I think some crazies reckon we should invest in the current comp system and have better streaming there. The oddest facts they use is it works in the best performing countries, and save money by sharing resources.
Anyway, I don't give a flying 'cos my daughter's a duffer and i'll have to ship her off to millfield
Anyway, I don't give a flying 'cos my daughter's a duffer and i'll have to ship her off to millfield
Pienaar's gloves
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Anything there untrue?
scratchnsurf
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Utter rubbish lad. National average percentage from poorer backgrounds in schools is 14%. In grammar schools it is less than 3%. Grammar schools are not interested in improving the chances of pupils from poorer backgrounds. Such pupils may well do better in grammar schools than pupils from similar backgrounds do in other schools, but they do no better than the other pupils at grammar schools and are, due to academic selection, the most able pupils so would do better than other disadvantaged pupils academically anyway.
urm historically since time began no, but in relation to the point you answered it was your usual swerve yes!
MartyMcFly
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Well if you consider the reason why people live in affluent areas is probably because their parents are smart enough to also have got good grades which have enabled them to go to good schools which again has enabled them to get well paying jobs to afford to live in those areas it would make sense there is some correlation.
I'm not saying every rich kid is smart or every poor kid isn't but I would expect to see a correlation at a group level.
In many ways the stronger the correlation of that is just a sign the society provides good social mobility.
The problem with comprehensives is that the school you go to ultimately comes down to where you live and that's not good.
MartyMcFly
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So what you are saying is going to grammar school also makes a big difference to how well someone does.
I think that's the point of going to one.
Which would be great if everyone could go to one.
Here's a thought - why not raise the standards of all schools to grammar school levels of achievement instead of gating off the chance to massive portions of the country?
roydo
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Been my view for decades that.
As a country, we should be ashamed that dogma has robbed a significant slice of youngsters a decent start in life.
Politicians, parents, and the teaching profession, all have reasons to share that shame.
Not a popular view I am sure, but sometimes it is wise to look closer to home than some would be comfortable admitting.
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