Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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The simple point is, that our total net immigration was 333k

167k were here to study

43% of the total are from the EU

So what's the total net immigration from the EU excluding students?

Not quite what old Nige was trying to portray is it?

Still at a loss as to what point you are making tbh.........
 
Still at a loss as to what point you are making tbh.........
The simple point I'm making is that of our total net immigration, when you exclude students, the EU element makes up about 71k people.

Not quite the huge increase in net bodies that it was made out to be is it?

Worth risking our economy for?
 
The simple point I'm making is that of our total net immigration, when you exclude students, the EU element makes up about 71k people.

Not quite the huge influx that it was made out to be is it?

Worth risking our economy for?
Tbf 71k is a lot for an already overcrowded island, imo, not that I want to chase them away with poopy stick like. Besides, from the figures you were using, couldn't all the students be none-EU, invalidating your conclusion ?
 
Tbf 71k is a lot for an already overcrowded island, imo, not that I want to chase them away with poopy stick like. Besides, from the figures you were using, couldn't all the students be none-EU, invalidating your conclusion ?
The student number includes EU and non EU

They're all included in the total migration stats.

71k added to a population of 60m+ is virtually inconsequential

As I said worth risking the economy for?
 
Tbf 71k is a lot for an already overcrowded island, imo, not that I want to chase them away with poopy stick like. Besides, from the figures you were using, couldn't all the students be none-EU, invalidating your conclusion ?

Who knows?...the lack of detail is what I'm struggling with.......
 
The student number includes EU and non EU

They're all included in the total migration stats.

71k added to a population of 60m+ is virtually inconsequential

As I said worth risking the economy for?

I didn't say anything about the economy mate, just that imo we're becoming too overcrowded, and i'll add, National resource allocation is becoming very stretched. There are lots of variables involved, but not just reducible to a popular EU -IN/OUT resolution.
 
Who knows?...the lack of detail is what I'm struggling with.......
Yea, i've had another look and I can't see where it differentiates between the origin of the students, and it would also need to account for the returning students within the net calculation too for an accurate number.
 
Those in the Tories who wanted to leave the EU and promised the NHS billions has been kicked in the teeth by May's 'no more money for the NHS'. Now it seems the cabinet are preparing to give the EU billions of 'our money' to remain in the EU club.

17 OCTOBER 2016 • 8:58AM


The Government is considering continuing paying some contributions to the EU in order to maintain "passporting rights" to allow City firms to continue trading across the continent, it has been claimed.

A report by the Financial Times suggests that Theresa May's Cabinet is discussing the move which would amount to a "softer" Brexit.

It comes after Mrs May reassured Japanese car maker Nissan on Friday that the trading conditions for its Sunderland car plant would remain unchanged post-Brexit, in a further sign that she will protect certain sectors from any impact from an EU departure.

With Theresa, you have to listen to the silences.

The FT reports that "several ministers" have revealed that the Cabinet is considering paying "billions of pounds into the EU budget", with one telling the paper: "We would have to be careful how we explained it."

Another senior Conservative said: "With Theresa, you have to listen to the silences."

The move is likely to frustrate Eurosceptics in the Conservative Party who would prefer to see a so-called "hard Brexit" in which Britain may seize greater control over migration".

The Tories are in complete and utter disarray with their 'Brexit means Brexit'. Continual squabbling and bickering and now backtracking.
 
Just reading up on Germany and it's dominance in exporting. Apart from the fact that it has loads of nice shiny cars and white goods to sell, it appears to have invested heavily into what is regarded as a German Global Export Network. Spread around the world this network typically helps the small and very small businesses to export in addition to it's large corporations. Obviously we have the UK Embassies and the British Chamber of Commerce and the like but it does make you wonder if the German help for the small companies is what is giving it the edge. Product mix is also important, coupled with the economic development of the target territory, it's easier to do a deal for say washing machines especially if you can set up a local manufacturer than it is for selling 'financial services'...

Leaving the EU and being almost forced to rebalance the forms of products that we sell could quite easily give the UK a much needed boost, especially coupled with the lower £. What a great time to be in our manufacturing industry........
 
Tbh, I'm still intrigued as to the answer to the first question......

I'd say the following: better education system produces more valuable, more productive workers; superior corporate structures, long term investment, no culture of short termism, reinvestment of profits rather than dividend culture; more skilled workforce and greater investment in technology; membership of a trading block with a currency weaker than would be the case if an independent currency. All of the above produces great quality products, efficiently manufactured, at a great price.

Now please answer the question I put to you:

If the EU does not hinder our ability to trade globally, how will leaving the EU increase our global trade?
 
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