Current Affairs EU In or Out

[degsy]

Depends what sort of 'Brexit Egg' May comes up with/ends up with/is made to live with due to internal pressures/is made to live with due to external pressures of the euro members themselves
a) Hard boiled - we are squeezed until the pips squeak
b) Soft boiled - brexit extra lite
c) Curates egg - Good in parts (or bad depending on your vote)

I bet 'C'

 

[peteblue]

No

And?

Does that preclude me from thinking that your assertion that the EU will crumple like a cheap suit is laughable delusion?

No it doesn't, but having no experience of large and complex deals does not actually qualify you to just dismiss something written by someone, who actually does have that experience, as 'bollox'

 

[tsubaki]

Depends what sort of 'Brexit Egg' May comes up with/ends up with/is made to live with due to internal pressures/is made to live with due to external pressures of the euro members themselves
a) Hard boiled - we are squeezed until the pips squeak
b) Soft boiled - brexit extra lite
c) Curates egg - Good in parts (or bad depending on your vote)

I bet 'C'

It will be B.

We will be officially "out" of the single market, but will pay some pittance and have freedom of movement for workers (ie: EU citizens with job offers over here will get in whereas the jobless would not), with the same rights as domestic workers but without certain benefits (ie: they would get free treatment on the NHS, they would not get child benefit sent to kids in EU states). Tourists will have visa-free travel here with the usual passport controls, just as it basically is now. In exchange we would get almost full access to the single market, save some provisions to prevent us being used as a backdoor into the EU for dumped goods etc.

 

[peteblue]

Depends what sort of 'Brexit Egg' May comes up with/ends up with/is made to live with due to internal pressures/is made to live with due to external pressures of the euro members themselves
a) Hard boiled - we are squeezed until the pips squeak
b) Soft boiled - brexit extra lite
c) Curates egg - Good in parts (or bad depending on your vote)

I bet 'C'

And this is the point, we haven't even sent the letter yet, no official negotiations have commenced, the economy is doing well against all the negative forecasts from some of the remainers. No one has a clue what the deal will be, but a deal will be done............

 

[peteblue]

It will be B.

We will be officially "out" of the single market, but will pay some pittance and have freedom of movement for workers (ie: EU citizens with job offers over here will get in whereas the jobless would not), with the same rights as domestic workers but without certain benefits (ie: they would get free treatment on the NHS, they would not get child benefit sent to kids in EU states). Tourists will have visa-free travel here with the usual passport controls, just as it basically is now. In exchange we would get almost full access to the single market, save some provisions to prevent us being used as a backdoor into the EU for dumped goods etc.

And a lot of people would be reasonably ok with that........

 

[degsy]

It will be B.

We will be officially "out" of the single market, but will pay some pittance and have freedom of movement for workers (ie: EU citizens with job offers over here will get in whereas the jobless would not), with the same rights as domestic workers but without certain benefits (ie: they would get free treatment on the NHS, they would not get child benefit sent to kids in EU states). Tourists will have visa-free travel here with the usual passport controls, just as it basically is now. In exchange we would get almost full access to the single market, save some provisions to prevent us being used as a backdoor into the EU for dumped goods etc.

On second thoughts 'c' & 'b' are much the same and could be mixed in together...some will like/dislike bits of your 'b' - it'll be a good ole british compromise and P every one off in some way or another

 

[ToffeeDoug]

Three major indicators of capacity constraints are currently present in the UK economy. Low unemployment rates, a chronic skills shortage particularly in traditional manufacturing and engineering skills, and supplier lead times which are increasing way beyond their long term averages.

Bank of England reckons our excess manufacturing capacity equates to no more than 1% of GDP currently.

But would this be offset in any way by low interest rates allowing borrowing for investment in infrastructure and new capacity? Or (setting up your reply) would companies not wish to invest in the UK post-Brexit and prefer the returns offered by investing in Europe?

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

The single market is discriminatory by nature. It favours Germany and France only. Especially Germany. It ties companies in to only these EU countries for trade. Individual nations cannot make trade deals with upcoming markets like Brazil, China, India and even Japan. Any agreement is on an EU wide basis. This is not fair and absurd given the differences between the needs of countries within the EU. It's anything but an homogeneous group.

It's also massively reliant on the euro currency. Our direct competitor. It makes no sense to aid your direct competitors at your own expense. The currency is also a doomed entity as it's never in a million years ago common currency area. Is Greece similar to Germany? I think we know the answer to that. It's sensible to get out before the inevitable implosion. Added to this is the fact that there is no growth in the market and in fact we are one of only three countries who are net subsidisers of the market. In short we are being royally sponged off.

We will have access to the markets within the EU that we need as well as the markets outside the EU which we need but can't access. The single market was a good idea no doubt but in its current form it is inefficient and a waste of time.

The best outcome for brexit is that the current EU and it's political union nonsense disintegrates and we start from scratch again. We need a proper trade based union where it's outward looking and open for business not inward and protectionist. Breakup of this horrible EU can hopefully lead to a proper one. Based on trade where national sovereignty is not impinged.

You've just described the EU, not our access to the single market i.e. free trade without tariffs.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

No it doesn't, but having no experience of large and complex deals does not actually qualify you to just dismiss something written by someone, who actually does have that experience, as 'bollox'

So you've got first hand experience of negotiating Billion pound trade deals on behalf of the Govt with foreign nations then?

Sure you have

 

[joey_macmo]

So you've got first hand experience of negotiating Billion pound trade deals on behalf of the Govt with foreign nations then?

Sure you have

I bloody hope not after some of the stuff I've read in this thread.

 

[ToffeeTim]

You've just described the EU, not our access to the single market i.e. free trade without tariffs.

They are intertwined. I gave my opinion on why we should leave both. We will have better access to trade markets now. People just don't want to realise it. The only countries who will try to hit us for Tariffs are big ones who think they can afford to. And there aren't too many around....

 

[neil999]

keir starmer doing a decent job thus far?

 

[joey_macmo]

Tory leave MP calling for a parliamentary vote on the terms today.

 

[Joey66]

With respect Joey, you caused it because you voted for it!

Yes and I did not use google before I went to vote lol
So shame on me ant the other 17 million Bruce so sorry my one vote swung it against remainlol

 

[Joey66]

You voted to leave the EU, there was no question about the single market.

Explain how losing our access to the single market is somehow a positive please.

positive for a few reasons which can be negotiated the car industry yes important the banking sector yes but they are sucking us dry - the rest is a political nightmare dont for get we have a net loss of 8-10 billion pounds each year on a rising scale if our GDP growth rises utter robbery!