Current Affairs EU In or Out

[The Esk]

Let's see the trade figures for this period before you shout your mouth off heylol

Joey mate, as much as I'd like to see our exports booming for a long time, we don't have the excess capacity in our manufacturing base to meet increased demand in the long term (assuming Sterling stays low) - and with reduced margins because of higher imported component costs it is of little benefit to companies and the Exchequor.....

 

[Joey66]

Joey mate, as much as I'd like to see our exports booming for a long time, we don't have the excess capacity in our manufacturing base to meet increased demand in the long term (assuming Sterling stays low) - and with reduced margins because of higher imported component costs it is of little benefit to companies and the Exchequor.....

That's why a deal on the single market will be done it's a game of poker we are dealing with a nasty Polictical union who like to bully countries!

 

[The Esk]

That's why a deal on the single market will be done it's a game of poker we are dealing with a nasty Polictical union who like to bully countries!

Joey, your friend Rees-Mogg conceded today on BBC Today in Politics, that being in the single market was being in the EU - given the UK has voted to leave the EU then the single market is no longer an option. That, plus all the difficulties associated with the WTO post Brexit leaves us in an awful position, no membership of the single market and no established terms based on the WTO.

We sit between a rock and a hard place (all of our own doing) ....

 

[Joey66]

Joey, your friend Rees-Mogg conceded today on BBC Today in Politics, that being in the single market was being in the EU - given the UK has voted to leave the EU then the single market is no longer an option. That, plus all the difficulties associated with the WTO post Brexit leaves us in an awful position, no membership of the single market and no established terms based on the WTO.

We sit between a rock and a hard place (all of our own doing) ....

Yes I too agree, but May cannot put her poker hand on the table v these berocratic thugs, when article 50 is signed she will have to go with the best options on the table, DC caused this and has ran away Osborne will stir it up with others the negotiations will have to be hard Ball as the EU dictate us
We can be a great nation again it will be a bumpy ride for a period the same doomongers are trying the same arguments in the Remain campaign it's over out means out!
They bullied Ireland to have a revoke a treaty the time has come to crush this organisation that is going to the wall anyway IMO!

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Yes I too agree, but May cannot put her poker hand on the table v these berocratic thugs, when article 50 is signed she will have to go with the best options on the table, DC caused this and has ran away Osborne will stir it up with others the negotiations will have to be hard Ball as the EU dictate us
We can be a great nation again it will be a bumpy ride for a period the same doomongers are trying the same arguments in the Remain campaign it's over out means out!
They bullied Ireland to have a revoke a treaty the time has come to crush this organisation that is going to the wall anyway IMO!

With respect Joey, you caused it because you voted for it!

 

[ToffeeTim]

Joey, your friend Rees-Mogg conceded today on BBC Today in Politics, that being in the single market was being in the EU - given the UK has voted to leave the EU then the single market is no longer an option. That, plus all the difficulties associated with the WTO post Brexit leaves us in an awful position, no membership of the single market and no established terms based on the WTO.

We sit between a rock and a hard place (all of our own doing) ....

I voted to leave the single market so I should hope so. We cant grow as a country stuck within this inefficient stagnant financial union.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

In related news, the Science and Technology committee today released a report on AI and robotics - http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201617/cmselect/cmsctech/145/14502.htm

One of the primary recommendations is to ensure people can re-train to adapt to the changes that occur, just as they need to when changes occur due to globalisation.

"Such transitions will be challenging. As a nation, we must respond with a readiness to re-skill, and up-skill, on a continuing basis. This requires a commitment by the Government to ensure that our education and training systems are flexible, so that they can adapt as the demands on the workforce change, and are geared up for lifelong learning."

Alas, I feel that this will just be words as there has appeared to be little motivation to focus on post-school learning.

 

[peteblue]

Joey mate, as much as I'd like to see our exports booming for a long time, we don't have the excess capacity in our manufacturing base to meet increased demand in the long term (assuming Sterling stays low) - and with reduced margins because of higher imported component costs it is of little benefit to companies and the Exchequor.....

How do you know we 'don't have the excess capacity' in our manufacturing base ? Which manufacturing base, which sector, what size business ? Are you talking about plant, manpower ? shift availability, manufacturing efficiencies, outsourcing ? You mention increased demand in the long term, will we really just sit around and do nothing and twiddle our bleeding thumbs while opportunities fly out of the window for years ? What kind of people do you think run our companies......

 

[peteblue]

When the EU realise the game is up? lol

Yeah mate they'll get down on tier knees to the mighty Blighty when those pesky Europeans realise we mean business!

What meaningless bollocks

Have you ever negotiated a multi billion pound contract ? Genuine questions.......have you ever led a negotiating team ?.....have you ever negotiated with a foreign government ? .....have you ever worked closely with the UK Government ?...

 

[peteblue]

With respect Joey, you caused it because you voted for it!

No mate, we caused this, all 17,400,000 of us.......the rest of you just closed your ears and eyes.....

 

[The Esk]

How do you know we 'don't have the excess capacity' in our manufacturing base ? Which manufacturing base, which sector, what size business ? Are you talking about plant, manpower ? shift availability, manufacturing efficiencies, outsourcing ? You mention increased demand in the long term, will we really just sit around and do nothing and twiddle our bleeding thumbs while opportunities fly out of the window for years ? What kind of people do you think run our companies......

Three major indicators of capacity constraints are currently present in the UK economy. Low unemployment rates, a chronic skills shortage particularly in traditional manufacturing and engineering skills, and supplier lead times which are increasing way beyond their long term averages.

Bank of England reckons our excess manufacturing capacity equates to no more than 1% of GDP currently.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Have you ever negotiated a multi billion pound contract ? Genuine questions.......have you ever led a negotiating team ?.....have you ever negotiated with a foreign government ? .....have you ever worked closely with the UK Government ?...

No

And?

Does that preclude me from thinking that your assertion that the EU will crumple like a cheap suit is laughable delusion?

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I voted to leave the single market so I should hope so. We cant grow as a country stuck within this inefficient stagnant financial union.

You voted to leave the EU, there was no question about the single market.

Explain how losing our access to the single market is somehow a positive please.

 

[peteblue]

Three major indicators of capacity constraints are currently present in the UK economy. Low unemployment rates, a chronic skills shortage particularly in traditional manufacturing and engineering skills, and supplier lead times which are increasing way beyond their long term averages.

Bank of England reckons our excess manufacturing capacity equates to no more than 1% of GDP currently.

And I would bet that every single manufacturing plant in the UK could increase production by a minimum of 5% within 12 months rising to 10% after 24 if they wished, and that's for the big companies, the small companies can do this almost overnight. Besides our current unemployed, the world is full of engineers and skilled people who we can utilise either within the Uk or by setting up plants abroad. In my time I've utilised tens of thousands of highly qualified engineers from abroad in technology transfer deals or by direct immigration. These things are all doable and we mustn't restrict ourselves by people who haven't got the vision or energy to do it. Ask the likes of JCB if they could increase production, if they had the contracts, and they would tell you they will make it work.......

 

[ToffeeTim]

You voted to leave the EU, there was no question about the single market.

Explain how losing our access to the single market is somehow a positive please.

The single market is discriminatory by nature. It favours Germany and France only. Especially Germany. It ties companies in to only these EU countries for trade. Individual nations cannot make trade deals with upcoming markets like Brazil, China, India and even Japan. Any agreement is on an EU wide basis. This is not fair and absurd given the differences between the needs of countries within the EU. It's anything but an homogeneous group.

It's also massively reliant on the euro currency. Our direct competitor. It makes no sense to aid your direct competitors at your own expense. The currency is also a doomed entity as it's never in a million years ago common currency area. Is Greece similar to Germany? I think we know the answer to that. It's sensible to get out before the inevitable implosion. Added to this is the fact that there is no growth in the market and in fact we are one of only three countries who are net subsidisers of the market. In short we are being royally sponged off.

We will have access to the markets within the EU that we need as well as the markets outside the EU which we need but can't access. The single market was a good idea no doubt but in its current form it is inefficient and a waste of time.

The best outcome for brexit is that the current EU and it's political union nonsense disintegrates and we start from scratch again. We need a proper trade based union where it's outward looking and open for business not inward and protectionist. Breakup of this horrible EU can hopefully lead to a proper one. Based on trade where national sovereignty is not impinged.