Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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bicycleheader said:
Is it possible to get a clean vote though. If you have at least two "sides" from outside who will take measures to get their preferred outcome.

One side arranges to "accidentally" exclude those votes and the other side cries foul.

The other side does whatever they do, and their opposite equally cries foul.

Obviously being from the west we hear more about one side of that discussion.

How does a country in that region ever really get away from this dance.
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That's the million dollar question which I honestly don't have e the answer for mate.

I'd also wager it's why in most of the former satellite countries you have a clear divide between pro west and pro east.

I just do find it interesting though as within a two week period, we will have had the Georgian election and the Moldovan one, Russia won't accept the latter (at kest I'm pretty certain that will be the stance) and the EU doesn't accept the former.
What's best for both these countries, really is up for debate, both if they fully go into the EU (US) camp will be used to antagonise Russia - if they went into the other camp then they'll be used as a bullwalk against the west. In essence they are miniature versions of what Ukr was post 08'-14'
It's an interesting note that the loudest voices against Russia in both places originate from those who are either outside these countries OR will have the ability and resources to very quickly leave if needed.
Btw Sandu and I zourabichvili I can't stand from just a personal POV - Sandu worked for the executive director of the world bank as his assistant Zourabichvili is pretty much french - also was married to a senior figure at the world bank also.

Both are global capitalist stooges who'll end up wrecking their countries by allowing them to be used as pawns in a great power struggle.
 
bluestevon said:
Basically won the election on the diaspora vote, Moldovans voting who live in Moldova narrowly voted for the opposition party.

Certain elements to point out, Moldova didn't open polling stations in Transnistria - who are legally allowed to vote, they had to travel to Moldova to vote - population 365,000 and obviously pro Russian, they also sent only a limited amount of Ballots to both Belarus and Russia, both of whom have a substantial number of Moldovans residing there.

10,000 ballots sent to Russia, which has approximately 150,000 Moldovans there and voting stations only in Moscow - they ran out of Ballots - several thousand outside the stations left with no option to vote.

Also the diaspora vote was only counted AFTER the vote had been counted from internal voting. So the exact numbers were known prior.

If this type of thing happened to a none EU friendly politician I can guarantee the west would be up in arms about the legitimacy of the election result.
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The diaspora vote is an endless fascination to me. The wife has just sent off her national election vote this morning funnily enough.

Not dissimilar happens with Romania in terms of split between, for want of better simple terms, more liberal and more conservative voters.

I think it was the european parliamentary elections earlier this year that saw the diaspora vote help swing the vote away from AUR, who are nationalist and conservative (possibly active in Moldova). Very popular in rural parts and even in some towns.
 
Daveysgingerlovechild said:
The diaspora vote is an endless fascination to me. The wife has just sent off her national election vote this morning funnily enough.

Not dissimilar happens with Romania in terms of split between, for want of better simple terms, more liberal and more conservative voters.

I think it was the european parliamentary elections earlier this year that saw the diaspora vote help swing the vote away from AUR, who are nationalist and conservative (possibly active in Moldova). Very popular in rural parts and even in some towns.
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In general I don't know how I feel about it, I can vote in the UK even though I have zero intention of ever returning, should I be able to do so, my instinct says no, same as you used to have a good number of expats living in Spain voting Tory on bloc - none of them were ever gonna go back...

I can guarantee the vast majority of Moldovans or Georgians voting from EU countries do t go back even if those countries enter the EU - same way few did to the Baltic states etc.
 
bluestevon said:
In general I don't know how I feel about it, I can vote in the UK even though I have zero intention of ever returning, should I be able to do so, my instinct says no, same as you used to have a good number of expats living in Spain voting Tory on bloc - none of them were ever gonna go back...

I can guarantee the vast majority of Moldovans or Georgians voting from EU countries do t go back even if those countries enter the EU - same way few did to the Baltic states etc.
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And now the Spanish Brit’s may have IHT applied to their pensions
 
bluestevon said:
That's the million dollar question which I honestly don't have e the answer for mate.

I'd also wager it's why in most of the former satellite countries you have a clear divide between pro west and pro east.

I just do find it interesting though as within a two week period, we will have had the Georgian election and the Moldovan one, Russia won't accept the latter (at kest I'm pretty certain that will be the stance) and the EU doesn't accept the former.
What's best for both these countries, really is up for debate, both if they fully go into the EU (US) camp will be used to antagonise Russia - if they went into the other camp then they'll be used as a bullwalk against the west. In essence they are miniature versions of what Ukr was post 08'-14'
It's an interesting note that the loudest voices against Russia in both places originate from those who are either outside these countries OR will have the ability and resources to very quickly leave if needed.
Btw Sandu and I zourabichvili I can't stand from just a personal POV - Sandu worked for the executive director of the world bank as his assistant Zourabichvili is pretty much french - also was married to a senior figure at the world bank also.

Both are global capitalist stooges who'll end up wrecking their countries by allowing them to be used as pawns in a great power struggle.
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In recent months, I have visited several former Warsaw pact countries - Poland, Romania, Croatia, Czechia, Montenegro and Albania. The general feeling I get is that the people are happier aligned to the West than they were aligned to the USSR and most seem keen to remain in, or join the EU. They all have horrible tales to tell of the communist era. I appreciate that I have only been exposed to a tiny percentage of the population, and primarily in the larger cities, but do you think that would be true in most places that were part of the Soviet bloc?
I haven't been to the likes of Moldova or Belarus so can't speak for them, and appreciate if you are not too familiar with the countries I mentioned.
 
WA Toffee said:
In recent months, I have visited several former Warsaw pact countries - Poland, Romania, Croatia, Montenegro and Albania. The general feeling I get is that the people are happier aligned to the West than they were aligned to the USSR and most seem keen to remain in, or join the EU. They all have horrible tales to tell of the communist era. I appreciate that I have only been exposed to a tiny percentage of the population, and primarily in the larger cities, but do you think that would be true in most places that were part of the Soviet bloc?
I haven't been to the likes of Moldova or Belarus so can't speak for them, and appreciate if you are not too familiar with the countries I mentioned.
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generous.
 
Daveysgingerlovechild said:
The diaspora vote is an endless fascination to me. The wife has just sent off her national election vote this morning funnily enough.

Not dissimilar happens with Romania in terms of split between, for want of better simple terms, more liberal and more conservative voters.

I think it was the european parliamentary elections earlier this year that saw the diaspora vote help swing the vote away from AUR, who are nationalist and conservative (possibly active in Moldova). Very popular in rural parts and even in some towns.
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I’d say that the diaspora vote plays a pivotal role, but I think it's also important to remember the broader geopolitical context. You and your misses clearly have a good understanding of the importance of such things in places like Moldova, and itll be no surprise for me to say that Russian interference continues to be a serious issue, and you can understand it being one of the main reasons Moldova is so committed to preserving its independence and sovereignty. Putin is committed to stirring up political divisions and fostering pro-Russian sentiments, both in Moldova and in other neighbouring countries and I am happy for them that they managed to derail his plans.
 
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