How can they trust him at all? I certainly wouldn't, he's proved it time and time again
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bluestevon
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Pretty sure the EU don't do a single thing foreign policy wise without running it past the US for permission.
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Well he's neither really, he's illiberal for sure and authoritarian as well.
But not everyone elected has to be completely in step with the US/UK - or do they now?
Actually forget that question, the last 80 years shows exactly the view on democracy from the west.
Best thing for Russia that the EU and NATO could do btw is boot Hungary out,
Holding this summit immediately in the knowledge that Trump is pro Putin might point to a change from that previous position.
that relationship is going to be frosty at best going forward unfortunately
Rigging elections falls completely outside what democracy is, so yea he is illegitimate, making him a Dictator free of accountability to an electorate.
Think they should be booted out. He has made continual efforts to block and hold up aid to Ukraine.
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Not sure if the EU can afford to do that mate, Trump is a vindictive sod, they actually frosty it'll just make him pull away faster.
No idea if Trump is pro Putin btw, it's the common narrative, but everyone seems to forget he was the one who started to send military aid (all those Javs they had were courtesy of Trump ) he also started to provide military training also.
I think Trump is just pro Trump. Anyone who aids that is a friend, hinder it and enemy.
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Yeah but most of the latter has been out of self interest for Hungary, the EU has billions in aid to Hungary frozen, he was using the Ukr situation as a bargaining tool to get that released. Same way Turkey try to play both sides for the best for Turkey (well for the leader anyways).
No doubt he did some dodgy stuff in terms of changing electoral rules in order to benefit himself, allowing separate voting from your region etc, but massively voting fraud wasn't present.
Not sure exactly why the Ukraine should be an issue a country inside the EU or NATO is not allowed to have it's independant opinion on either.
Trump was frosty with the EU from the get go last time. He is definitely Pro Putin, he has said it continually. Praised his invasion as 'gaining all that real estate for a few bucks'.
He did not start Aid to Ukraine. That was started by Obama/Biden in 2014 and Trump like to pretend he started it.
I for one hope the EU don't suck up to that gimp and supply increased aid to Ukraine with or without him. Putin was itching for a Trump win because he has almost run out of cannon fodder and wants a land grant from Trump to withdraw saving face. Ukraine deserve continued support. The EU and UK have supplied most of the military aid so far anyway. Getting the nod from the States was essential from a NATO alliance stand point and particularly where AID supplied was manufactured in the US. Can't stop the sending of EU made weaponry though.
Of course independent countries should have their own opinion, but holding an opinion and voicing it is different to blocking aid or setting a deliberately lower priority agenda as rotational EU leader.
I understand nations have their own interests and must look after them but Turkey is not a member of the EU and Hungary is, therefore abiding by the voting system they signed up for is pretty important, especially when it is an emergency situation
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Not sure exactly what the EU has left to give, a German think military think tank report stated that per month Russia is now producing more than the entire stock of the German forces. Industrial capacity between the two is massively lopsided.
You do realise they are recruiting 30,000+ per month under contracts, not conscription. Most from the poorer eastern regions, were the salary offered essentially guarantees people signing up.
Ukraine Support Tracker - A Database of Military, Financial and Humanitarian Aid to Ukraine
The Ukraine Support Tracker lists and quantifies military, financial and humanitarian aid promised by governments to Ukraine.
An interesting report on the aid provided, Germany in terms of critical systems is massively ahead of most countries - including the US on the most needed ones. The UK btw has provided zero AA systems, Germany 73 such systems including the patriot batteries.
Most aid has been underwritten from countries like Poland - send there old systems on the promise that in the future the US will replace them with up to date systems (ofc that's gonna be a long queue as they have to make them first)
I'm not sure either what the EU has left to give in military aid and I agree that current allocation of industrial manufacture isn't geared toward the military by comparison with the US. Russia also has steady albeit reduced income from Oil as nations like Turkey, China and India take advantage of reduced prices but whatever industrial capacity they have, it is not on the battlefield. They have imported North Korean ammunition and indeed more soldiers for the meat grinder, drones from Iran. They still have a lot of missiles of course and are targeting everything from military, energy and resource infrastructure through to civilians. It's not great. Their professional army is smashed though and have been conscripting less capable, less trained people for a long time contracts or not, even increasing age requirements for drafting. Those things are not done from a position of strength.Not sure exactly what the EU has left to give, a German think military think tank report stated that per month Russia is now producing more than the entire stock of the German forces. Industrial capacity between the two is massively lopsided.
You do realise they are recruiting 30,000+ per month under contracts, not conscription. Most from the poorer eastern regions, were the salary offered essentially guarantees people signing up.
Ukraine Support Tracker - A Database of Military, Financial and Humanitarian Aid to Ukraine
The Ukraine Support Tracker lists and quantifies military, financial and humanitarian aid promised by governments to Ukraine.www.ifw-kiel.de
An interesting report on the aid provided, Germany in terms of critical systems is massively ahead of most countries - including the US on the most needed ones. The UK btw has provided zero AA systems, Germany 73 such systems including the patriot batteries.
Most aid has been underwritten from countries like Poland - send there old systems on the promise that in the future the US will replace them with up to date systems (ofc that's gonna be a long queue as they have to make them first)
That kiel report verifies the higher proportion of aid coming from Europe.
We don't know how it ends, especially now that authoritarian loving muppet has been elected but I would expect, or at least hope for some push back from the EU and the UK should Trump propose the gifting of land to Putin under the threat of withdrawing aid.
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Germany is rearming too slowly to stand up to Russia
After decades of military downsizing, German military spending is woefully inadequate to meet the new strategic challenge posed by Russia—as both a new report by the Kiel Institute for the World Economy and the new Kiel Military Procurement Tracker show. In combination with a cumbersome national...
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I was mistaken before - currently it's every six months Russia is producing the equivalent of what the German army has to put into field.
Initially yup Iran supplied huge numbers of drones but for over a year now Russia has massively ramped up internal production (Iran provided the manufacturing specs)and made improvements over the Shahid - Geranium as the Russian ones are now called as well as adding a host of new internally produced drone types.
The north Korean troop stuff I think is just bs actually, last desperate attempt to allow internal strikes on Russia and t get the Taurus off Germany .
It's not great. Their professional army is smashed though
It really isn't, Wagner did most of the dirty work the first year and a bit, the variant if it that sprung up after in terms of storm Z units essentially were rebranded sheep dipped Wagner.
Training time provided far far exceeds what Ukraine are capable or doing mate, the one wave of conscription Russia did do, the vast majority spent 9-12 months outside the combat zone in training and were provided with off the assembly line armour in a lot of cases. A lot of these units are what you are seeing now commited and applying pressure across the Donbass loc
To be expected - the national service age was raised from 18-27 to 18-30, after a few cock ups first year, these aren't going into combat anyway they are saying deeper in peeking potatoes and seeing there tear out before going back to Moscow etc.
Not sure how it ends - hopefully just not in a
No way!
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Lots to worry about the future relationships with USA and us, however, the appointment of the RFK jr, is an interesting one, there are posistves, the man in charge of food standards is a big supporter of the European model of food standards, often cites our posistions.
"We have 1,000 ingredients in our food that are illegal in Europe that are illegal in other countries and they're making our kids sick," he alleged in an NBC News interview. "They're there because of corruption in our agencies."
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"We have 1,000 ingredients in our food that are illegal in Europe that are illegal in other countries and they're making our kids sick," he alleged in an NBC News interview. "They're there because of corruption in our agencies."
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He’s not gonna last 5 minutesLots to worry about the future relationships with USA and us, however, the appointment of the RFK jr, is an interesting one, there are posistves, the man in charge of food standards is a big supporter of the European model of food standards, often cites our posistions.
"We have 1,000 ingredients in our food that are illegal in Europe that are illegal in other countries and they're making our kids sick," he alleged in an NBC News interview. "They're there because of corruption in our agencies."
What RFK Jr could do on US vaccines, fluoride and drugs
The vaccine sceptic would have broad power over food safety, vaccinations and pharmaceuticals.
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