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That’s the way, get your excuses in early…….
Funny literally Cameron/Clegg Cameron May Johnson Truss and Sunak lived off world wide financial crisis of 2008 as all Labours fault. and their entire burning down foundations of Britain with ideological driven austerity program.
 
This has been posted before but if you want a look at what the Brexit toffs want here it is in Rees-Mogg’s own words.

1. An end to EU rights to time off?​

In 2016, Channel 4’s Jon Snow asked Rees-Mogg if he supported keeping the following EU-derived employment rights listed by the TUC’s Nicola Smith: “Paid holiday, paid rest breaks, rights for time off if you’ve got kids and your kids are unwell, protection from discrimination when you’re pregnant.”

Rees-Mogg replied: “I don’t support all these employment rights that come from Europe.”

2. Sacking striking workers?​

In 2011, Rees-Mogg called on the government to sack striking border officials, “imitating the robust action of the late US president Ronald Reagan in relation to recalcitrant air traffic controllers”.

In the notorious incident in 1981, Reagan sacked 11,359 striking workers, and banned them from ever working for the government again. In Britain, workers have been protected from being sacked for lawful striking since 1871, and Mogg’s suggestion was so extreme it drew chuckles and groans and was ignored by Cameron.

Truss threatened to impose ‘minimum standards agreements’ that would hinder unions’ rights to lawful strikes during her leadership campaign, but even she hasn’t suggested sacking workers who exercise their right to strike – yet.

3. Longer working weeks?​

Rees-Mogg complained in 2016 that Europe had effectively duped Britain into abiding by the “Working Time Directive” (which guarantees paid time off and stops workers being forced to work more than 48 hours a week). Calling the EU a “failed state”, he said that the European Court of Justice had “interpreted the [EU] treaties to mean completely different things from what we believed we had signed up to, so for example the Working Time Directive came in under health and safety laws even when we had an opt-out from the social chapter” [the part of EU treaty law that protects employment and other social rights]. Rees-Mogg had previously told parliament that he thought it was remarkable that the UN human rights convention covered paid time off, saying “It is hard to believe that the right to paid holiday is an absolute moral right.”

4. A lower minimum wage – or none at all?​

As a member of the red-wall-courting Johnson government, Rees-Mogg occasionally defended the minimum wage. But as a backbencher, he opposed its increase, and even its existence. In 2012, he coyly said: “Mr Deputy Speaker, you will rule me out of order if I argue that raising the minimum wage would be extremely unwise, so I would not dare to say it.” Writing in the Telegraph in 2014, he said the government should not raise the minimum wage – then £6.31 an hour – because that would lead “either to inflation or to unemployment”. Rather than setting any minimum wage at all, he said the government should “permit the free market to set wages”.

5. More zero-hours contracts?​

In 2013 he decried “lefties” seeking to ban zero-hours contracts, saying it was useful for business to have access to a pool of people who could be “called into work at short notice but are not guaranteed a specific level of employment”, adding that while workers with other obligations could say no sometimes, “naturally, they cannot refuse too often”. Such contracts, he argued, “benefit business, consumers and taxpayers by keeping costs down and they boost productivity allowing the efficient use of labour”, as well as offering a “route into employment”.

6. More two-tier workforces with exploited, rights-free agency staff?​

In May this year, Jacob Rees-Mogg picked the nine “most interesting” ideas for “Brexit benefits” to pursue, from 2,000 suggestions from the British public, including scrapping equal rights for agency workers, along with niche issues such as allowing more powerful vacuum cleaners and electric bikes. The pick – which could see agency workers losing basic rights like paid holiday, for example – was not a surprise. In the 2016 Channel 4 interview mentioned above, Rees-Mogg had singled out EU protections for agency workers as “very unhelpful” and among “elements that I would change”.

7. Lower pay for the regions, and fewer bargaining rights for unions?​

Teachers and NHS staff have, for decades, had their pay set nationally, meaning poorer areas can attract staff and unions have power to negotiate for large numbers. But in 2012 Jacob Rees-Mogg called not just for a huge extension of local pay (that is, lower pay in some regions) but also small, isolated negotiations in every workplace: “I urge Her Majesty’s government to go much further and to abolish national pay bargaining altogether [and] we need to go much further so that every school and every hospital decides the pay rates that it will give its employees.” Truss appeared to suggest – then quickly back away from – a policy of lower regional pay during her leadership campaign, but even she hasn’t suggested setting it at such a micro level (yet).

8. More ‘graft’ for workers?​

In August, Rees-Mogg backed Liz Truss’s leaked comments that British workers needed ‘more graft’, telling the Mail on Sunday that her remarks were “sensible” and reflected an “unfortunate reality”.

9. More rights for bosses?​

In February 2022, Rees-Mogg told the Times that the government needed to reform employment rights as the power had shifted too far to employees. “A flexible labour market is essential to our economic prosperity… have we got that right? Well, we must of course look at that… and see who needs protection and who doesn’t... Sometimes the employer would think they need more protection from the employee.”

10. Fewer employment and welfare rights in general?​

In an introduction to a series of essays published by right-wing think tank Politeia in 2012, Rees Mogg said that: “Deregulation is part of [his vision of Conservatism], especially in employment law. If society is wrapped in cotton wool it will never prosper. Naturally, there needs to be some safety net for those who fail but unless some are allowed to fall none will be able to climb."

11. Paternalism in place of rights?​

Rees-Mogg is fond of citing the merits of the Victorian factory owners. He told MPs that “in the Victorian age… most employers were benevolent, kindly, good and not out of a Dickens novel: they were more Trollope than Dickens by and large.” And in a 2012 debate on slavery and child labour in supply chains, he expressed doubts that the bill achieved its desired objectives, supporting some regulation but suggesting that it could be minimised by starting with “conscience” and the fact that “companies that fail to follow the basics of humanity will be embarrassed in their marketing. They will be brought to shame in front of the nation”.



Once we are being paid a wage that will allow our factories to compete with the likes of Chinese companies and putting the graft in through 70 hour weeks things will be much better. 🤡
 
I'm working with a chap from South Sudan at the moment Pete. I would ask you to actually come and meet him and learn a bit from him, but we're trying to show that the country is welcoming rather than vile so I'd rather you stayed in your little white village.

Bruce, you keep trying to play the race card. I’ve worked all over the world and with people in the U.K. who have come from all over the world. This is not about race. For me it’s about legal and illegal immigration and I couldn’t give a damn about colour or country of origin…..
 
Bruce, you keep trying to play the race card. I’ve worked all over the world and with people in the U.K. who have come from all over the world. This is not about race. For me it’s about legal and illegal immigration and I couldn’t give a damn about colour or country of origin…..
For someone so supposedly worldly you've shown a willful ignorance of the reality of claiming asylum. You've been told so many times how things are, yet you continue to parrot the idiotic rhetoric pumped into you by your puppet masters in the Tory party. It's quite sad that you're so unable to think for yourself, much less to see how the trade you were involved in helped to create so much of the uncertain environment people are fleeing from. For instance, I'm sure you're well aware that Sudan was a British colony, and the poor treatment of those in the south led to the independence of South Sudan itself. Similarly, I'm sure you're aware of the vast number of refugees that fled to the country from Rwanda, again after western meddling led to chaos.

Maybe it's not about race, but it sure is a lot about ignorance.
 
Bruce, you keep trying to play the race card. I’ve worked all over the world and with people in the U.K. who have come from all over the world. This is not about race. For me it’s about legal and illegal immigration and I couldn’t give a damn about colour or country of origin…..
If you were that interested in the subject you'd take at least an hour educating yourself as to what this actually means, but despite being repeatedly told you still seem either oblivious or just stubbornly refuse to acknowledge facts.
 
For someone so supposedly worldly you've shown a willful ignorance of the reality of claiming asylum. You've been told so many times how things are, yet you continue to parrot the idiotic rhetoric pumped into you by your puppet masters in the Tory party. It's quite sad that you're so unable to think for yourself, much less to see how the trade you were involved in helped to create so much of the uncertain environment people are fleeing from. For instance, I'm sure you're well aware that Sudan was a British colony, and the poor treatment of those in the south led to the independence of South Sudan itself. Similarly, I'm sure you're aware of the vast number of refugees that fled to the country from Rwanda, again after western meddling led to chaos.

Maybe it's not about race, but it sure is a lot about ignorance.

Bruce, it’s very simple. I’ll bet your mate who you mentioned came here legally, ask him how he feels about those that don’t bother but just jump on a rubber dingy. I’ve said before I have a son in the USA, even though married to a US national, Cherokee Indian btw, and filled in every form imaginable, it took 7 years and he was not allowed to leave the country during that time before becoming a US national. I have another son, working in Saudi, married to a Philippine wife with a child and grandchild and a house in Manila. He also has a place in the U.K. but they can only visit not live here. Perhaps they should just go to France buy their own boat and sail over. But they don’t, they want to do things legally and it takes time. I don’t know how many times I have to say this but I have no problem with immigration, just illegal immigration, people who cheat the system and cheat those wanting to follow the rules. You cannot understand this for some reason preferring to accuse me of either racism or ‘small village white attitude’, neither of which is true, just follow the law and the rules. If the law and the rules are wrong then get them changed, but don’t have a go at those who actually follow them…..
 
You aren't Pete, that's the problem. You're an old man and set in your ways and have an uncanny knack of ignoring all the salient points and life experiences of the people who engage with you on here

No mate, I take onboard many comments, but spurious ‘get yourself educated’ drivel by idiots I tend to challenge…so I’ll wait for his proper reply before comment…..
 
Bruce, you keep trying to play the race card. I’ve worked all over the world and with people in the U.K. who have come from all over the world. This is not about race. For me it’s about legal and illegal immigration and I couldn’t give a damn about colour or country of origin…..
Your definition of illegal is somewhat questionable though Pete
 
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