Current Affairs EU In or Out
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I suppose we have begun to see the benefits with recent Conservative governments be it an unintended consequence. Prior to leaving media would be briefed by Conservative government on anything that reflected poorly on Conservative government was down EU legislation and meddling. Even down local council level it was EU policy at fault. Now everything is responsible of sitting government as it was before just many more of the electorate can now plainly see how bad Conservative governments really are. Had to answer because the sovereignty thing was so central to Brexit, but many who supported it clearly had not thought sovereignty through to its logical end.
Now it's Covid, Ukraine, and of course, Labour that are to blame. Always the victims...
peteblue
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It already is. When was the last EU law put onto our statute books, what happened to that financial cliff edge we were going to fall off (actually happened to Germany), our foreign policy towards Ukraine, Israel, Red Sea is ours and not held up by the the likes of Hungary, our farmers are not burning stuff in Brussels or Paris, our Government good or bad is not overseen or subservient to the EU and either succeeds or gets thrown out unable to blame the EU. What more do you want for an Independent country…….
Now now, as long as you define it as a bunch of jingoistic fluffery that nobody serious cares about, and being able to say "it wasn't as bad as some people warned", then that's apparently some measure of success Pete is happy to point to.
I can only be amazed at having such low standards. Frankly I think we should be demanding a lot more out of our country, but Brexiteers apparently just want to talk the nation down.
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Well, at least he didn't Google "benefits of Brexit" this time and try to pass it off of his own.
At least he's talking from his own flawed opinion, that's a success story in its own right I guess.
peteblue
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The people talking the U.K. down are remoaners and the Opposition…..
and the hungry, and the cold, and the forgotten, and the left behind, and the down trodden.
chin chin eh lord smugly...
chin chin eh lord smugly...
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40 new hospitals being paid for by £350 million a week would be nice
We were promised by Johnson, Rees-Mogg and the other Brexiteers that we'd have lower food prices and improved trade deals with the USA, Canada and several other countries -- "sunlit uplands". The reality is long queues for holidaymakers wanting to visit European countries, significantly higher food prices and various shortages in shops, trade made more difficult with our neighbours, no trade deals with the USA or Canada, a trade deal with Australia which even the man who negotiated it admits is greatly to our disadvantage. But at least immigration is down . . . .oh hang on, it's higher than ever!
It's significant that the only "advantages" Brexiteers point to is the fact that things aren't as bad as the very worst predictions of the remainers, whereas many of the predictions of the more moderate remainers have come to pass.
peteblue
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Long queues for holiday makers going to EU, just like going to any other country on the planet. Is that it. Food prices have risen everywhere and with the recent farmers rebellion in the EU will only get higher over there as they clamp down on imports.
Legal immigration is entirely the U.K. responsibility, illegal immigration is a problem caused by the EU and allowed to continue via France. No rubber boats arrive in the U.K. from North Africa or the Middle East……
Legal immigration is entirely the U.K. responsibility, illegal immigration is a problem caused by the EU and allowed to continue via France. No rubber boats arrive in the U.K. from North Africa or the Middle East……
Yawn. This is akin to that nutter Roger Bootle basically admitting Britain is materially worse off by multiple measures and none of the promises on FTAs etc have come to pass (unsurprisingly because they're were based on magical thinking), but Brexit wasn't a bad idea!
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This, for the record, appears to be the main and tenuous argument of the Brextremists such as Bootle:
"So why bother to leave the EU? The issue is essentially political. It is about the ability to vote in and out of office politicians who make the key decisions affecting our country. The EU is a profoundly undemocratic institution. The fact that our leaders have not yet followed through on this vote and put in place policies and laws that would make a big difference does not mean that the Brexit vote was a mistake.
It is early days. The UK joined what we now know as the EU in 1973. Do Remainers ask themselves if there were clear benefits from this decision in the years immediately afterwards? In fact, those were difficult times for the UK.
The EU is an institution pointing in several directions at once, trying to reconcile the irreconcilable, with forces pushing towards full union side by side with forces still trying to preserve the powers of nation states. Its economic performance has lagged behind the leading economies in the world because it tends to make the wrong decisions on a whole host of economic and other questions. Forming the euro has been the biggest mistake of all.
We managed to dodge that one but if we had stayed in the EU, we would have struggled to retain our semi-detached status. In all probability, eventually we would have been dragged into all sorts of madcap integrations ranging from currency and fiscal matters to defence and foreign affairs.
The benefits of being outside this failing organisation will manifest themselves over the coming decades as we are able to take different decisions from the EU on a wide range of issues, including the regulation of artificial intelligence.
Admittedly, if the UK makes a mess of its independence while the EU gets its act together, then we will have paid a not inconsiderable price for our exit. On the balance of the evidence, I believe that is unlikely. But only time will tell."
Lol.
"So why bother to leave the EU? The issue is essentially political. It is about the ability to vote in and out of office politicians who make the key decisions affecting our country. The EU is a profoundly undemocratic institution. The fact that our leaders have not yet followed through on this vote and put in place policies and laws that would make a big difference does not mean that the Brexit vote was a mistake.
It is early days. The UK joined what we now know as the EU in 1973. Do Remainers ask themselves if there were clear benefits from this decision in the years immediately afterwards? In fact, those were difficult times for the UK.
The EU is an institution pointing in several directions at once, trying to reconcile the irreconcilable, with forces pushing towards full union side by side with forces still trying to preserve the powers of nation states. Its economic performance has lagged behind the leading economies in the world because it tends to make the wrong decisions on a whole host of economic and other questions. Forming the euro has been the biggest mistake of all.
We managed to dodge that one but if we had stayed in the EU, we would have struggled to retain our semi-detached status. In all probability, eventually we would have been dragged into all sorts of madcap integrations ranging from currency and fiscal matters to defence and foreign affairs.
The benefits of being outside this failing organisation will manifest themselves over the coming decades as we are able to take different decisions from the EU on a wide range of issues, including the regulation of artificial intelligence.
Admittedly, if the UK makes a mess of its independence while the EU gets its act together, then we will have paid a not inconsiderable price for our exit. On the balance of the evidence, I believe that is unlikely. But only time will tell."
Lol.
I would imagine screwing over 69million people in this country must be a pretty heavy cross to bear.
So I think most Brexiters just pretend they havent totally screwed over a whole generation of people.
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