Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Haydn]

You miss the point completely. I have no issue with the EU saying that engineers or doctors may no longer work in the EU, because as you say we left. But in that single day how on gods earth did the qualifications and competence, which had previously been reviewed and accepted by the EU for the past forty odd years no longer have academic equivalence. In bureaucratic circles this obviously makes perfect sense because it is simply a technical bar used for protectionism.

C’mon Pete, on that fateful day in question, we told the EU that we were out and wanted nothing to do with their rules.

Everything went out of the window, because that is the very deal that Johnson signed up to.

You are almost at base camp sensible, in recognising that a competent negotiator would have ensured that mutually beneficial rules were retained and a harmonious relationship pursued with the EU.

But as the cult leaders want every shred of EU influence and compliance banished, they would willingly crucify us, to achieve their puritan vision of brexit.

 

[peteblue]

I wonder if these people still accept U.K. doctors… Médecins Sans Frontières…….

 

[spectateur]

I presume the courses are in English.

Maybe but Bulgaria Ukraine Georgia don't use the Latin alphabet.
Just thinking about street signs, transport etc.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

You miss the point completely. I have no issue with the EU saying that engineers or doctors may no longer work in the EU, because as you say we left. But in that single day how on gods earth did the qualifications and competence, which had previously been reviewed and accepted by the EU for the past forty odd years no longer have academic equivalence. In bureaucratic circles this obviously makes perfect sense because it is simply a technical bar used for protectionism.

Why do you have no problem with them saying we lose the right to work but a problem with equivalence?

They're both ultimately arbitrary bureaucratic rules which demarcate membership boundaries, thus are inherently protectionist.

It's what was voted for bud.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

It is an absurdity though. I was speaking to people last week about cross-border labour, ie people who live in one country and work in another. The Commission had done research into where it happens, the barriers and so on. They'd included Swiss border regions on account of their EEA status, but not the Irish border because NI has no kind of member status, despite estimates that around 15,000 people commute across the border each day for work or study and that border not only being quite important for a member state but also to the ongoing UK/EU relations.

As regular readers of this thread will know, I'm broadly supportive of the EU, but boy they can be bureaucratic arses sometimes. It's a situation where sticking to the rules seems more important than achieving what the rules were designed for.

Yeah, but being sensible means we can't nark Pete. So zip it!

 

[peteblue]

Why do you have no problem with them saying we lose the right to work but a problem with equivalence?

They're both ultimately arbitrary bureaucratic rules which demarcate membership boundaries, thus are inherently protectionist.

It's what was voted for bud.

It’s the lack of logic that bugs me, that and the bureaucracy. It’s like the NHS, paperwork and more paperwork while forgetting why they exist…..

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

It’s the lack of logic that bugs me, that and the bureaucracy. It’s like the NHS, paperwork and more paperwork while forgetting why they exist…..

There's absolutely no way there would be flexibility here. Not given the rhetoric and rancour on both sides. The rules play an important purpose as politically they're making a point.

 

[peteblue]

There's absolutely no way there would be flexibility here. Not given the rhetoric and rancour on both sides. The rules play an important purpose as politically they're making a point.

I understand that, but at the end of the day for what practical purpose. We have two stupid bodies putting politics before rational behaviour. I’m pretty sure that if Russia were to invade Europe, no one would be questioning the qualifications of our Air, Sea and land Forces, nor of any Doctors sent to assist…..

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

I understand that, but at the end of the day for what practical purpose. We have two stupid bodies putting politics before rational behaviour. I’m pretty sure that if Russia were to invade Europe, no one would be questioning the qualifications of our Air, Sea and land Forces, nor of any Doctors sent to assist…..

I'd argue the last six to 7 years of political agitation sits under this bracket.

What and where has it got anyone?

 

[peteblue]

I'd argue the last six to 7 years of political agitation sits under this bracket.

What and where has it got anyone?

Exactly…..this is why I like our near joining of the CPTPP, it’s a trade body, bigger than the EU, but without the politics…..

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Exactly…..this is why I like our near joining of the CPTPP, it’s a trade body, bigger than the EU, but without the politics…..

I meant Brexit. The whole shebang. Pointless.

 

[peteblue]

I meant Brexit. The whole shebang. Pointless.

We are better out of that German dominated bureaucracy……

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

We are better out of that German dominated bureaucracy……

OK Pete, whatever you say.

 

[peteblue]

OK Pete, whatever you say.

I knew I would convince you one day…..welcome to the dark side…..

 

[WA Toffee]

I understand that, but at the end of the day for what practical purpose. We have two stupid bodies putting politics before rational behaviour. I’m pretty sure that if Russia were to invade Europe, no one would be questioning the qualifications of our Air, Sea and land Forces, nor of any Doctors sent to assist…..

The practical purpose is that the EU protects the members of the EU and puts their interests first. EU doctors get jobs in the EU, non EU doctors don't. We used to have that protection, now we don't. It's exactly what you voted for.

And I think you may be confusing the EU with NATO in your example