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[Haydn]

My trip to Brussels this week was heavily about this kind of thing, and Britain wasn't on the agenda at all. It was all about the acceptance of qualifications between member states.

It’s only going to become an ever growing barrier to trade and UK employment, if we pursue the current Moggian lunatic strategy of divergence.

Every UK vocational and professional training course is currently predicated on the respective students qualifying with an understanding of the relevant EU regulations and standards, that apply to their chosen career.

A union jack emblazoned certificate might well give gammons a semi, but it won’t entitle the holders, or their employers, to work in Europe, unless we maintain equivalence.

Any sane company looking to invest in Europe will swerve us for the same reasons.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

As reported in the Times yesterday The Super Wealthy have been quietly quitting Britain since the Brexit Referendum

2022 saw 1,400 such individuals depart Britain, there are thought to be 737,000 such individuals in the UK at the moment. About 12,000 have left the UK since 2016

The European Banking Authority, the European Union’s industry watchdog, cited transfers from London as a key reason why the number of European bankers earning in excess of €1 million rose by more than 40 per cent to 1,957 in 2021.

Super-rich falling out of love with Britain

Britain is fast losing its reputation as a hub for wealthy investors and businesspeople, with hundreds more millionaires leaving last year.In 2022 a further 1,

www.thetimes.co.uk

 

[wandyr79]

So one day all the qualifications were fine, and the next they weren’t. Thank you for providing yet another example of EU protectionism based on absolutely no logic whatsoever…….

This has got to be one of the best posts on here.

How dare the EU follow through with what the UK voted for, how very dare they!

The logic is, you and other like minded people voted to leave. This is what leaving means, we no longer get the benefits of staying. Not rocket science to understand the logic. It would be like saying, after divorcing, "What, you no longer recognise me as married, there is just no logic to this. I divorced but I still want to be recognised as married"

 

[Jebus_lives]

So one day all the qualifications were fine, and the next they weren’t. Thank you for providing yet another example of EU protectionism based on absolutely no logic whatsoever…….

One day I could get books out the library no problem, the next day I cut up my library card and tried to loan books, but they wouldn't let me!

 

[Bruce Wayne]

This has got to be one of the best posts on here.

How dare the EU follow through with what the UK voted for, how very dare they!

The logic is, you and other like minded people voted to leave. This is what leaving means, we no longer get the benefits of staying. Not rocket science to understand the logic. It would be like saying, after divorcing, "What, you no longer recognise me as married, there is just no logic to this. I divorced but I still want to be recognised as married"

The maddening thing is, this outcome wasn't guaranteed. For instance, this isn't a problem with Switzerland, for instance, although they have their own issues with Horizon at the moment.

On this topic, this is quite interesting

Young Britons head to eastern Europe to train as doctors

Bulgaria and Georgia are the most popular destinations

www.economist.com

 

[Prevenger17]

The logic is, you and other like minded people voted to leave. This is what leaving means, we no longer get the benefits of staying.

It is baffling how Pete still hasn't gotten to grips with that

 

[Jebus_lives]

It is baffling how Pete still hasn't gotten to grips with that

The man still thinks we hold all the cards.

 

[wandyr79]

It is baffling how Pete still hasn't gotten to grips with that

If the referendum had multiple options and, for example, we voted for the Swiss model but then they still did not recognise qualifications I could understand a bit of complaining for the leave voters.

However, we did not, it was leave or stay. Then, we had the bleating of 'Brexit means Brexit', well this is Brexit so I guess anybody who still agrees with leaving has to stop complaining when we lose a benefit of staying, it just makes them look silly.

 

[spectateur]

The maddening thing is, this outcome wasn't guaranteed. For instance, this isn't a problem with Switzerland, for instance, although they have their own issues with Horizon at the moment.

On this topic, this is quite interesting

Young Britons head to eastern Europe to train as doctors

Bulgaria and Georgia are the most popular destinations

www.economist.com

This must be very challenging from a language point of view.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

This must be very challenging from a language point of view.

I presume the courses are in English.

 

[peteblue]

This has got to be one of the best posts on here.

How dare the EU follow through with what the UK voted for, how very dare they!

The logic is, you and other like minded people voted to leave. This is what leaving means, we no longer get the benefits of staying. Not rocket science to understand the logic. It would be like saying, after divorcing, "What, you no longer recognise me as married, there is just no logic to this. I divorced but I still want to be recognised as married"

You miss the point completely. I have no issue with the EU saying that engineers or doctors may no longer work in the EU, because as you say we left. But in that single day how on gods earth did the qualifications and competence, which had previously been reviewed and accepted by the EU for the past forty odd years no longer have academic equivalence. In bureaucratic circles this obviously makes perfect sense because it is simply a technical bar used for protectionism.

 

[peteblue]

If the referendum had multiple options and, for example, we voted for the Swiss model but then they still did not recognise qualifications I could understand a bit of complaining for the leave voters.

However, we did not, it was leave or stay. Then, we had the bleating of 'Brexit means Brexit', well this is Brexit so I guess anybody who still agrees with leaving has to stop complaining when we lose a benefit of staying, it just makes them look silly.

I‘m not complaining. We are out, left, no longer part of, and I’m very happy. I just happened to mention how the EU use technical bars for protectionism.…

 

[Kurt.]

You miss the point completely. I have no issue with the EU saying that engineers or doctors may no longer work in the EU, because as you say we left. But in that single day how on gods earth did the qualifications and competence, which had previously been reviewed and accepted by the EU for the past forty odd years no longer have academic equivalence. In bureaucratic circles this obviously makes perfect sense because it is simply a technical bar used for protectionism.

CoZ BreGsIT mEEnS brEGsiT

 

[Bruce Wayne]

CoZ BreGsIT mEEnS brEGsiT

It is an absurdity though. I was speaking to people last week about cross-border labour, ie people who live in one country and work in another. The Commission had done research into where it happens, the barriers and so on. They'd included Swiss border regions on account of their EEA status, but not the Irish border because NI has no kind of member status, despite estimates that around 15,000 people commute across the border each day for work or study and that border not only being quite important for a member state but also to the ongoing UK/EU relations.

As regular readers of this thread will know, I'm broadly supportive of the EU, but boy they can be bureaucratic arses sometimes. It's a situation where sticking to the rules seems more important than achieving what the rules were designed for.

 

[peteblue]

It is an absurdity though. I was speaking to people last week about cross-border labour, ie people who live in one country and work in another. The Commission had done research into where it happens, the barriers and so on. They'd included Swiss border regions on account of their EEA status, but not the Irish border because NI has no kind of member status, despite estimates that around 15,000 people commute across the border each day for work or study and that border not only being quite important for a member state but also to the ongoing UK/EU relations.

As regular readers of this thread will know, I'm broadly supportive of the EU, but boy they can be bureaucratic arses sometimes. It's a situation where sticking to the rules seems more important than achieving what the rules were designed for.

Indeed…..