Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Bluerover said:
Joe mate, Putin and the energy crisis are affecting every country, but the EU MSs still have tariff free access to a market of over 500 million people, and freedom of movement of Labour across the EU for EU and some other citizens (e.g. the EEA).

GB has put itself right outside of this, and has to try and ride the storm of Putin and the crazy energy crisis alone.

Ireland is an open economy within the EU and is therefore vulnerable to global economic shocks. Despite this, from the EU Commission Finance Directorate:

GDP is expected to grow by 7.9% in 2022, then to moderate to 3.2% in 2023 and 3.1% in 2024 on the back of lower purchasing power and uncertainty weighing on investment. Net exports, particularly of multinational corporations, are expected to remain resilient and be the main driver of growth. Inflation is expected to peak at 8.3% this year and to remain high at 6.0% in 2023 before moderating to 2.8% in 2024. The fiscal outlook is benign, with the budget balance posting surpluses throughout the forecast years. Real GDP in Ireland grew by 10.8% q-o-q in the first quarter of 2022, a big rebound after a marked fall in the last quarter of 2021.
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Yes I agree the permit salary control for working in the UK is far too high .....hence labour shortage ....
 
roydo said:
So taking back control and controlling our borders has failed? Cant have it both ways mate.
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The bar for salaries is set far too high - there is a big difference on people outside the UK coming here to work, but the cap is way too high the average salary is unobtainable for any sort of person outside the EU - I can see this government having a massive drive to get legitimate sick people back into low paid jobs - hence the Tory stance on this subject ......
 
Joey66 said:
The bar for salaries is set far too high - there is a big difference on people outside the UK coming here to work, but the cap is way too high the average salary is unobtainable for any sort of person outside the EU - I can see this government having a massive drive to get legitimate sick people back into low paid jobs - hence the Tory stance on this subject ......
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Actually the amount of work visa's we have processed has gone through the roof since we left the EU.

https://www.ft.com/content/4800203c-1f77-4b80-b7c5-29d9d5da2aa9
 
Joey66 said:
The bar for salaries is set far too high - there is a big difference on people outside the UK coming here to work, but the cap is way too high the average salary is unobtainable for any sort of person outside the EU - I can see this government having a massive drive to get legitimate sick people back into low paid jobs - hence the Tory stance on this subject ......
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So, no free movement of EU citizens means poorly UK folk getting forced into low paid jobs? I mean, really? Is that what you wanted?
 
roydo said:
So, no free movement of EU citizens means poorly UK folk getting forced into low paid jobs? I mean, really? Is that what you wanted?
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It's also just not realistic. My dad took early retirement. Hes not going to go back into work, particularly in a job that is far less well paid than the one he had.

People who are on long term sick are generally there for a reason. Either they are not mentally right for work, or they are not physically fit for work. Employers are not going to want them.

That's the crux here. We have outsourced the low paid jobs to immigrants, and naively assumed people will be cuing to take them. And when you take them, you lose all sorts of benefits too.
 
Joey66 said:
Why have I been had the countries in the EU are in the same recession as we are - the only mistake the UK made was the permit wage is set far too high for anyone who wants to work from anywhere in the UK....... We have had a pandemic - Putin - so far too early to judge how Brexit will establish as yet imo .....
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Joe the only country currently in recession is us. Every other country is growing. American under Biden is up 4%.
 
roydo said:
So, no free movement of EU citizens means poorly UK folk getting forced into low paid jobs? I man, really? Is that what you wanted?
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Big difference in free movement than needing a visa for a paid job - Free movement to claim benefit & not having a permit to work is totally different ......
Plus going back on a vote you support or did not support is over even Labour stance on this today is somehow in line with the Tories , because as they know it's a vote loser ...... to not train people in the UK ....

Big companies like cheap labour ......some taking living accommodation out of the wages e.g. farm work living in a barn etc ......
 
Joey66 said:
Free movement to claim benefit
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You weren’t able to arrive into the U.K. from the EU and claim benefits. Was a lie spread by right wingers. Had to wait several months before any recourse to public funds. Think it was 6 if I remember right. No chance anyone ups sticks and leaves home just to claim £300 a month UC anyways.
 
catcherintherye said:
It's also just not realistic. My dad took early retirement. Hes not going to go back into work, particularly in a job that is far less well paid than the one he had.

People who are on long term sick are generally there for a reason. Either they are not mentally right for work, or they are not physically fit for work. Employers are not going to want them.

That's the crux here. We have outsourced the low paid jobs to immigrants, and naively assumed people will be cuing to take them. And when you take them, you lose all sorts of benefits too.
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Maybe. Maybe not. But either way, we can only blame us, not the nasty EU.
 
Joey66 said:
Big difference in free movement than needing a visa for a paid job - Free movement to claim benefit & not having a permit to work is totally different ......
Plus going back on a vote you support or did not support is over even Labour stance on this today is somehow in line with the Tories , because as they know it's a vote loser ...... to not train people in the UK ....

Big companies like cheap labour ......some taking living accommodation out of the wages e.g. farm work living in a barn etc ......
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Give me strength.
 
Joey66 said:
Big difference in free movement than needing a visa for a paid job - Free movement to claim benefit & not having a permit to work is totally different ......
Plus going back on a vote you support or did not support is over even Labour stance on this today is somehow in line with the Tories , because as they know it's a vote loser ...... to not train people in the UK ....

Big companies like cheap labour ......some taking living accommodation out of the wages e.g. farm work living in a barn etc ......
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I travel all over the rural North of England / North Wales with my running Joey. Areas with high youth unemployment

Everywhere I go, there’s ads on pub / restaurant / hotel windows, advertising vacancies.

Some places even operating limited opening, due to lack of staff.

It would seem that all the nice young Eastern European folk, that did these jobs have gone home and our youngsters aren’t prepared to do them.
 
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