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[Emlynsqueakyvoice]

He can stick his apology up his arse and fk off while he's doing it.

Easy to apologise for screwing everyone else over when you've had your wishlist fulfilled and everyone else is up [Poor language removed] creek. That prick can rot in hell.

Yes. If Baker is just forgiven then Johnson will be next in line with his false apologies (again) too...

 

[Bluerover]

With respect to my mate Pete Blue, this has been a complete horlicks by the tories. Get them out as soon as you can, but believe me, from my own experience in Brussels, other MSs are happy to now turn the screw on the UK.

Where the heck did they decide that truss was a better PM??

The so called attempt at rejecting the NI Protocol is illegal and contravenes International Law. Good luck with that ms truss.

BR, LLB.

 

[Ruairi77]

With respect to my mate Pete Blue, this has been a complete horlicks by the tories. Get them out as soon as you can, but believe me, from my own experience in Brussels, other MSs are happy to now turn the screw on the UK.

Where the heck did they decide that truss was a better PM??

The so called attempt at rejecting the NI Protocol is illegal and contravenes International Law. Good luck with that ms truss.

BR, LLB.

The tories have made a mess of it but it's not like Labour were much better.
This thread didn't start after brexit. In the months/year running up to the referendum, plenty pointed out the shortsighted folly of the whole thing.
Labour sat on their hands and tried to appease everyone. The tories are only in power because Labour have been absolutely pathetic.
They might get a go driving now that the conservatives have crashed the car in to the tree five or six times.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The tories have made a mess of it but it's not like Labour were much better.
This thread didn't start after brexit. In the months/year running up to the referendum, plenty pointed out the shortsighted folly of the whole thing.
Labour sat on their hands and tried to appease everyone. The tories are only in power because Labour have been absolutely pathetic.
They might get a go driving now that the conservatives have crashed the car in to the tree five or six times.

It's always too convenient to blame "the other" for one's own failings, and our politicians did that with the EU for a very long time, so it fed into the narrative that they were the problem rather than our own government.

 

[Bluerover]

The tories have made a mess of it but it's not like Labour were much better.
This thread didn't start after brexit. In the months/year running up to the referendum, plenty pointed out the shortsighted folly of the whole thing.
Labour sat on their hands and tried to appease everyone. The tories are only in power because Labour have been absolutely pathetic.
They might get a go driving now that the conservatives have crashed the car in to the tree five or six times.

Ruairi, as a retired Irish Civil Servant, I have no preference for whatever Party is in power in the UK. I have just watched the first episode of This England and while I know it is faction, it was jawdropping.

I worked closely over nearly four decades with Ministers of different parties and dealt with their advisors. Only one Minister (not my own Department) was a complete arrogant ignoramus, but certainly no advisor with whom I dealt was anything like Cummings.

As for BJ and now Truss, I just scratch my head as to how they have been appointed to the office of PM. I wouldn't put them in charge of organising a minor meeting never mind running a major state.

I know that many in other MSs are laughing their heads off at the mess, but it is not something in which I take any pleasure, as I care for those in the UK that are really struggling financially - as indeed I care deeply for my fellow citizens here.

Whether Labour would drive the car any better I simply don't know. Their own history has been mixed when in power, but I don't think there has been the same elitism and disregard of those who are struggling.

These are very dark times globally and having dreadful political leaders in a key democracy really does not help.

 

[Ruairi77]

Ruairi, as a retired Irish Civil Servant, I have no preference for whatever Party is in power in the UK. I have just watched the first episode of This England and while I know it is faction, it was jawdropping.

I worked closely over nearly four decades with Ministers of different parties and dealt with their advisors. Only one Minister (not my own Department) was a complete arrogant ignoramus, but certainly no advisor with whom I dealt was anything like Cummings.

As for BJ and now Truss, I just scratch my head as to how they have been appointed to the office of PM. I wouldn't put them in charge of organising a minor meeting never mind running a major state.

I know that many in other MSs are laughing their heads off at the mess, but it is not something in which I take any pleasure, as I care for those in the UK that are really struggling financially - as indeed I care deeply for my fellow citizens here.

Whether Labour would drive the car any better I simply don't know. Their own history has been mixed when in power, but I don't think there has been the same elitism and disregard of those who are struggling.

These are very dark times globally and having dreadful political leaders in a key democracy really does not help.

Yea, I hear ya, I can't imagine Labour would have done any worse than the Tories. It was just a bit frustrating watching their mealymouthed half arsed response on Brexit. 'we wont take a concrete position and fight for it because we don't want to lose the votes', rather than 'here's our position and we're going to show you why we think it makes sense'.

 

[roydo]

Yea, I hear ya, I can't imagine Labour would have done any worse than the Tories. It was just a bit frustrating watching their mealymouthed half arsed response on Brexit. 'we wont take a concrete position and fight for it because we don't want to lose the votes', rather than 'here's our position and we're going to show you why we think it makes sense'.

Brexit was never a party political split though. The Leave campaign, whilst riddled with falsehoods/fantasy was an excellent one. The Remain campaign never ever showed the positives of staying, other than leaving was Bad.

Any constructive questioning, GFA/Border for example, was dismissed with shouts of Technology.

It was the ultimate in confirmation bias. Plus a dollop of ignorance, and racism/jingoism. Rarely a good idea.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Brexit was never a party political split though. The Leave campaign, whilst riddled with falsehoods/fantasy was an excellent one. The Remain campaign never ever showed the positives of staying, other than leaving was Bad.

Any constructive questioning, GFA/Border for example, was dismissed with shouts of Technology.

It was the ultimate in confirmation bias. Plus a dollop of ignorance, and racism/jingoism. Rarely a good idea.

That's largely the problem with politics in general, as it reduces complex issues requiring complex solutions to soundbites that don't address the issue but instead provoke an emotional response either in favour or opposition.

 

[Ruairi77]

Brexit was never a party political split though. The Leave campaign, whilst riddled with falsehoods/fantasy was an excellent one. The Remain campaign never ever showed the positives of staying, other than leaving was Bad.

Any constructive questioning, GFA/Border for example, was dismissed with shouts of Technology.

It was the ultimate in confirmation bias. Plus a dollop of ignorance, and racism/jingoism. Rarely a good idea.

Yea, I get it wasn't a party political split but there are a whole lot of politicians who voted to remain but made no effort to back up their stance pre referendum and then post referendum they hid from their vote. Happened on both sides. They let leave.eu and other radical types consume all the oxygen in the room. Then they did nothing to prevent a hard Brexit. They just played the numbers game in a selfish effort to keep their seats.
Right now, instead of trying to tear NI apart, they should all be working on rejoining the EEA.

 

[roydo]

That's largely the problem with politics in general, as it reduces complex issues requiring complex solutions to soundbites that don't address the issue but instead provoke an emotional response either in favour or opposition.

Tis indeed. I am, by nature, inquisitive. Not at your professional level, but still. If I dont "get" something, I ask why/how we could sort that. Or why sommet was done. Mini budget for example.

Folks way brainier than me sorted the GFA/Border years ago, I simply asked years ago how leaving the EU could square that awkward circle. Still waiting.

 

[Bluerover]

Yea, I hear ya, I can't imagine Labour would have done any worse than the Tories. It was just a bit frustrating watching their mealymouthed half arsed response on Brexit. 'we wont take a concrete position and fight for it because we don't want to lose the votes', rather than 'here's our position and we're going to show you why we think it makes sense'.

I agree. The position taken by Labour was, dare I possibly say it, an attempt to be populist - let's all go with the crowd..

Let me be clear. Brussels has been a PITH in my former career for many years, with its arrogant unelected Commission. I voted against the SEA, Nice and Lisbon as I was unhappy with diminishing our sovereignty. However, I understood that it was better to stay inside the tent and fight with them, than to walk away completely. There are plenty of Euro Sceptics around the EU scene, but they have the sense to weigh up the pros and cons.

Staying in and fighting one's corner is far better than leaving.

 

[dublinbluenose]

Replacing GDPR is the latest hairbrained brexit benefit I see. Any firms that deal with a customer outside the UK will have even more red tape to deal with. Yet some will no doubt cheer it on.

Presumably this is to enable them to make selling your data easier for facebook and google etc..

 

[Bluerover]

Tis indeed. I am, by nature, inquisitive. Not at your professional level, but still. If I dont "get" something, I ask why/how we could sort that. Or why sommet was done. Mini budget for example.

Folks way brainier than me sorted the GFA/Border years ago, I simply asked years ago how leaving the EU could square that awkward circle. Still waiting.

Roydo, the GFA took years of pain and unnecessary bloodshed to achieve. I never thought I would see the day that Paisley literally jumped out of his car to say he wanted to shake a Fianna Fail Taoiseach's hand.

The Border? As a constitutional issue, that is firmly one for democratic decision. The South have enough problems without taking on a disaffected rump of Unionism.

The Brexit mess, where in spite of a majority in NI voting Remain, and in the recent Assembly elections a majority voting for parties that accept the (admittedly complicated) Protocol, the good old dup throw their toys out again - have they many left??

However, the UK Govt has pandered to this party of 21.3% (mind you they won 27.8% of seats......hmmmm there's a thing) and NI is left without a properly functioning Assembly.

How to get out of the Protocol impasse is for a strong message to come from London that the dup must respect the majority wishes of the NI electorate. It is time to stop appeasing petulant bullies.

BTW, long term if the dup gets its way it is the NI economy that will greatly suffer.

 

[Bluerover]

Replacing GDPR is the latest hairbrained brexit benefit I see. Any firms that deal with a customer outside the UK will have even more red tape to deal with. Yet some will no doubt cheer it on.

Presumably this is to enable them to make selling your data easier for facebook and google etc..

DBN, what I have seen in recent years from these "leaders" is that selling their vulnerable people would not cost them a moment's thought. Champagne anyone???

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Last orders...

Brewery dubbed a 'Brexit export champion' calls in administrators after EU customers dry up

Brexit export latest: It reported that customers in Europe wanted to take British beer but that it was not cost-effective.

www.thelondoneconomic.com