Current Affairs EU In or Out

[wandyr79]

As you say “who knows”. What we do know is that if the U.K. government messes anything up, then it’s the fault of the U.K. Government with no excuses of just following Brussels diktats. There are still problems to resolve over the U.K./EU relationship, but no one imagined that there wouldn’t be issues in breaking up a 50 year marriage. We can pretty well do what we want, without interference from Brussels, or without having to get 27 other countries to agree or one of them providing a veto. We are a big enough country in our own right, we just have to relearn how to stand on our own two feet again….

I don't know the answer but maybe somebody knows or knows where to find it but I wonder what the ratio of EU & UK laws we were governed by while in the EU. What I do know is we were not in the Euro, we were not in Shengen so that is two big areas where we still had autonomy, there was freedom of movement but we also had control of our own borders.

I strongly believe that we still could veto some rules and regulations in our own parliament, just like Scotland is part of the UK but does have a certain level of autonomy.

Also, we are not the major player that some would have you believe, it is OK to ask for help now and again. You can't always do everything by yourself.

 

[Prevenger17]

Correct, I’ve blamed the French because they keep messing things up and not doing what they are supposed to because they are still behaving like children throwing their toys out.

I'll just spell this out for you

1. One of the main advantages you've cited for Brexit is that you can now hold the UK government to account and they won't be able to blame the EU for their mistakes
2. You have so far blamed France for everything
3. So you've described an advantage in one statement and then completely invalidated that statement in the next breath

You do see this don't you?

 

[Prevenger17]

Watching Pete explain how France have catastrophically failed to implement Brexit, which has been amazing so far and nothing short of an administrative triumph, because they can no longer blame France for the failures that were undoubtedly caused by France's sabotage of a perfectly executed Brexit that has gone smoothly and to plan, is like being in a 7 dimensional debate hypercube

 

[spectateur]

Correct, I’ve blamed the French because they keep messing things up and not doing what they are supposed to because they are still behaving like children throwing their toys out. Besides Brexit, they’ll still be moaning about the Australian submarines for years….

I've lived in France for some considerable time now and can assure you that the French authorities are pretty well organised.
They do not keep messing things up. They apply the rules that before brexit the UK government were entitled to use, but often chose not to.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Watching Pete explain how France have catastrophically failed to implement Brexit, which has been amazing so far and nothing short of an administrative triumph, because they can no longer blame France for the failures that were undoubtedly caused by France's sabotage of a perfectly executed Brexit that has gone smoothly and to plan, is like being in a 7 dimensional debate hypercube

Holding our government to account appears to involve blaming everything on the French or (OMG) the Germans. I think we will be allowed to criticise our government again when ever Labour are next in power.

 

[Prevenger17]

Holding our government to account appears to involve blaming everything on the French or (OMG) the Germans. I think we will be allowed to criticise our government again when ever Labour are next in power.

It really is a shame that the French have sabotaged your ability to not blame France until the next Labour administration.

 

[peteblue]

I've lived in France for some considerable time now and can assure you that the French authorities are pretty well organised.
They do not keep messing things up. They apply the rules that before brexit the UK government were entitled to use, but often chose not to.

I’m sure the French authorities are well organised. Except for not putting enough Border Guards on at Dover on the busiest holiday day of the year, and for escorting illegal immigrants into British waters even though we even pay France to keep them out…..

 

[Prevenger17]

It wuz France's fault

 

[peteblue]

I don't know the answer but maybe somebody knows or knows where to find it but I wonder what the ratio of EU & UK laws we were governed by while in the EU. What I do know is we were not in the Euro, we were not in Shengen so that is two big areas where we still had autonomy, there was freedom of movement but we also had control of our own borders.

I strongly believe that we still could veto some rules and regulations in our own parliament, just like Scotland is part of the UK but does have a certain level of autonomy.

Also, we are not the major player that some would have you believe, it is OK to ask for help now and again. You can't always do everything by yourself.

I agree, but we could not do trade deals without an EU bodge to satisfy 27 other countries. Now when we do one it’s for the benefit of the U.K. and the other party.…

 

[peteblue]

Holding our government to account appears to involve blaming everything on the French or (OMG) the Germans. I think we will be allowed to criticise our government again when ever Labour are next in power.

Fortunately that will be a long long time away……

 

[Goat]

Holding our government to account appears to involve blaming everything on the French or (OMG) the Germans. I think we will be allowed to criticise our government again when ever Labour are next in power.

Do we even have a government atm?

We appear to currently be a rudderless ship thats ran aground.

 

[peteblue]

Yes, because trading with our biggest trading partner is now an absolute nightmare compared to what it was.

Yes it was easier, but if we wish to trade around the world, and we do actually trade more in RoW v EU, then we have to deal in a similar manner.…..

 

[peteblue]

Do we even have a government atm?

We appear to currently be a rudderless ship thats ran aground.

It’s what you all wanted, Boris out, then the hiatus before Truss takes over…..

 

[JammyP]

Holding our government to account appears to involve blaming everything on the French or (OMG) the Germans. I think we will be allowed to criticise our government again when ever Labour are next in power.

And our government are not accoutable. They are crooks and they remain in power. In the EU we were a big hitter. Now we are on the margins, in every sense. And now Cyprus, Hungary or Malta, or France, and each of the others, is able to veto our improving our trading position with the EU, let alone any attempt to rejoin.

The result was very tight. It was founded on misinformation - anyone seen the £350 m for the NHS every week anywhere but on the side of a bus? And it was (like so many tories) funded by Russia - with Putin keen to destabilise the EU.

Pete - sorry but you just spout tripe, again and again.

Who is better off for Brexit? Not your average Britain - just the filthy rich.

 

[peteblue]

And our government are not accoutable. They are crooks and they remain in power. In the EU we were a big hitter. Now we are on the margins, in every sense. And now Cyprus, Hungary or Malta, or France, and each of the others, is able to veto our improving our trading position with the EU, let alone any attempt to rejoin.

The result was very tight. It was founded on misinformation - anyone seen the £350 m for the NHS every week anywhere but on the side of a bus? And it was (like so many tories) funded by Russia - with Putin keen to destabilise the EU.

Pete - sorry but you just spout tripe, again and again.

Who is better off for Brexit? Not your average Britain - just the filthy rich.

Funded by Russia…hahahaha……