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The contrast between those two headlines :coffee:

The party of 'law and order' that feels like they are not bound by any law is a very dangerous one.
Tennis is for boring posh people and the waannbe middle classes wishing they were posh by eating over priced fruit in London every June.

So that young Lady fits into middle England narrative of what is acceptable, she is no threat to their aspirations or ones they have for their children.
 
@arminisgod you mentioned the other day about the low pay of migrants. This is a good example


This lady is a pharmacist but her qualifications aren't recognised here so she created a business instead (startup/self-employment rates are significantly higher among migrants for this very reason). Perhaps if we did a better job of recognising the credentials people have they wouldn't have to do other things? A Brazilian friend of ours, for instance, is a doctor but to practice in the NHS would mean doing medical school all over again, so to support his family he works in sales. He's done very well like, but it would surely be a better contribution to society if he practiced medicine instead?

As has been the case with migrants coming into this country for decades/centuries!!
 
@arminisgod you mentioned the other day about the low pay of migrants. This is a good example


This lady is a pharmacist but her qualifications aren't recognised here so she created a business instead (startup/self-employment rates are significantly higher among migrants for this very reason). Perhaps if we did a better job of recognising the credentials people have they wouldn't have to do other things? A Brazilian friend of ours, for instance, is a doctor but to practice in the NHS would mean doing medical school all over again, so to support his family he works in sales. He's done very well like, but it would surely be a better contribution to society if he practiced medicine instead?
I was talking about this the other day. My experience is that people coming to another country to live and work are often more entrepreneurial and dynamic in their desire to work and earn compared to the natives who may have got a bit complacent. Obviously this is a benefit to the economy and society as a whole
 
Really starting to see the shortages hit locally the big Tesco nearby has the veg section half empty more shelves completely empty with advertising or filled with holding stock to make them look fuller. All definitely getting worse maybe accelerating.

Still expect government will be forced to make a uturn of some kind on visas, but it will be as late as possible, extending the problem way more than it needs.
I posted in the wrong thread the other day , I genuinely hadn’t seen a problem but over the last 7 -10 days it’s absolutely been an issue at a couple of supermarkets in Liverpool . Not to a start of the pandemic degree but the shelves weren’t full and other than people panic buying or the week before Christmas I don’t think I’ve ever seen that before . Bizarre really
 
@arminisgod you mentioned the other day about the low pay of migrants. This is a good example


This lady is a pharmacist but her qualifications aren't recognised here so she created a business instead (startup/self-employment rates are significantly higher among migrants for this very reason). Perhaps if we did a better job of recognising the credentials people have they wouldn't have to do other things? A Brazilian friend of ours, for instance, is a doctor but to practice in the NHS would mean doing medical school all over again, so to support his family he works in sales. He's done very well like, but it would surely be a better contribution to society if he practiced medicine instead?

whats any of that got to do with Leaving the EU?
 
I was talking about this the other day. My experience is that people coming to another country to live and work are often more entrepreneurial and dynamic in their desire to work and earn compared to the natives who may have got a bit complacent. Obviously this is a benefit to the economy and society as a whole
This is an area I work in a fair bit. A long story short, a lot of innovation is not so much new stuff but things being applied in different contexts. So migrants automatically have that by virtue of having the habits and norms from their homeland transplanted into somewhere new. Couple that with the motivation to make a success of their move, and often the lack of attractive alternatives, and that is the main reason why many migrants become entrepreneurs or self-employed (and very successfully too I might add).
 
whats any of that got to do with Leaving the EU?
You complained that migrants were lowing the wages of native workers, to which I shared data showing that migrants are far more likely to be over-qualified than native workers, which perhaps explains the wage situation. This was an example of that, as the woman was unable to work in the field of her qualification, so had to do something else. Some will start a business, some will "downshift" their aspirations and do anything to bring in some cash.

The problem is not the individual but the system for not recognising the talents and credentials people have.
 
Ditto.

@arminisgod thinks nobody will notice any difference though so...
I know EE are introducing the change in the new year, so assuming the other providers have done similarly, no one will have noticed a difference yet, especially as Covid has meant travel has fallen anyway. Assuming that 2022 will see some kind of return to normality with regards to travel, however...
 
This is an area I work in a fair bit. A long story short, a lot of innovation is not so much new stuff but things being applied in different contexts. So migrants automatically have that by having the habits and norms from their homeland transplanted into somewhere new. Couple that with the motivation to make a success of their move, and often the lack of attractive alternatives, and that is the main reason why many migrants become entrepreneurs or self-employed (and very successfully too I might add).
That’s very interesting.
Think it’s been mentioned before but this should be very much in line with a conservative ideology. However they seem insistent on nationalism and xenophobia to maintain the status quo.
Whole party is built on a con.
 
That’s very interesting.
Think it’s been mentioned before but this should be very much in line with a conservative ideology. However they seem insistent on nationalism and xenophobia to maintain the status quo.
Whole party is built on a con.
It's more that of the liberals really. The Tories have always had strong elements of social conservatism, whether it's opposition to the women's vote, decriminalising homosexuality, abolition of the death penalty, and numerous examples of racism, especially against Afro-Caribbean and Asian people.

Sadly, rather than moving back towards the centre ground after largely squashing the UKIP vote, they've maintained most of the stances that UKIP themselves would be proud of. It's a grim affair.
 
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