roydo
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I just think you are looking at the wrong target if you have a gripe with immigration in your own area. In short, you have been played like a fiddle.
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I just think you are looking at the wrong target if you have a gripe with immigration in your own area. In short, you have been played like a fiddle.
If you are talking nelson in Lancashire they’ve broadly doubled over that period of time.
Cheap labour, low interest rates, rising asset prices.
arminisgod
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Doubled? Really how?? You can buy a house here for 20k....
The only areas that may have doubled are the villages that fall under Nelson where all the people moved from Nelson that had cash
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I haven't. I can't do anything about the other issue, plus they don't work anyway so have no barring on the wage issue
roydo
in memoriam - 1965-2024
You have. You said you voted to leave the EU cos of mass uncontrolled immigration. Any localised issues in your area are down to pretty much the UK Government. Not the EU.
So you will not see much difference.
I’m looking at local house price figures in the area.
Lower wages have meant lower prices too. Cheaper good, cheaper services. Including things like the NHS
There are lots of benefits to cheap labour.
Ye BuT dEm foRInS yA kNOw
Gabagool
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The ironic thing is that we had the means whilst in the EU to enforce stricter regulations at the border, and could've easily done far more to close down agencies that were actively searching overseas for cheaper labour. If you're in a working-class area and a Labour voter, logic would dictate you'd have solidarity with the rest of the working-class regardless of origin, and your main gripe would *overwhelmingly* be with Westminster, who've long abandoned the North, opting to push public and foreign direct investment into the City of London and its surrounding areas.
We'll come to see that Brexit will ultimately bring more immigration - when needing to tie up trade deals with developing economies such as India, they'll ask for three things: visas, visas and more visas - and they'll get them. That's not to say this is a bad thing; given the ever-worsening dependency ratio in the UK, we'll be actively courting immigration for the next 30 years at least so as to continue the provision of an adequate pension system for a new generation of elderly people.
Unfortunately this doesn’t seem to be the case.
I recall reading a research article that proposed part of the reason the Nordic regions, traditionally had strong workers rights and representation was due to there being less religious and ethnic divisions there meaning there weren’t as many different and conflicting bodies representing workers.
Divide and rule I guess.
100% this
This is the thing that gets me, the UK government controlled their own borders. There was a UK border control not an EU border control.
Localised reasons were not sound reasons to vote leave.
Not related to this post but my mate said his brother voted leave and his sole reason was immigration. When pushed further it was all down to one thing, his son did not get into their preferred school and apparently the kid that took his place was Polish. My mate had no idea how he knew this as he wasn't clear on the facts. It is this localised, selfish voting that meant that the overlords of Brexit with their lies, lies and more lies were not considered as a factor to research more about what Brexit meant for the country as a whole.
Honestly, I think the biggest reason for it all was austerity following the GFC. Rich people were sound as they had assets that benefited from loads of money pumped into the economy. If you had shares or a pension or a house you were sound (motions broadly to Tory voting baby boomers approaching retirement).
At the same time, austerity hurt the poorest communities and that clearly screwed a lot of people over for over a decade.
And all the (right wing controlled) press did was point to something as a cause for all that anger and hurt.
Theres a million and one different reasons for people voting brexit but the root cause for all of that disdain and hurt has never been immigration.
It’s been economic policy that’s favoured the rich and increased inequality for over a decade.
Gabagool
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Yes, I was being slightly facetious but you're quite correct. Nordic ethnic homogeneity is often cited as the primary reason why a well-skilled, high-wage economy with strong worker rights is an unrealistic model for the UK to pursue. Still unsure if that's a sufficient justification to pursue a Singapore-on-Thames economic model post-Brexit, though.
I probably should try to refrain from using the left-right political spectrum for categorisation, which serves only as an overly simplified extraction of human behaviour. I recall a professor offering the example that whilst the average person on the street may well be open to rail renationalisation, large-scale public infrastructure projects etc., they’ll be equally keen to see a return of corporal punishment and would likely reintroduce public hangings by the end of the week.
People were happy to follow the lead though and blame migration. Places in the NE like Blyth who voted recently Tory have been screwed over repeatedly by cuts to Council funding and benefits.
Everyone there knows this but were quite content to look elsewhere for people to target.
Hang on a minute. The suggestion that there would be tax rises was in the event of leaving the day of the vote. We still haven't fully left, with your government kicking the can further down the road, and tax rises are on the cards. That sounds like it's true to me?
According to the census, the population of Nelson grew by a grand total of 137 people between 2001 (ie pre the 2004 accession of the countries you hate to the EU) and 2011. Incidentally, 57.8% of the population is regarded as white. 4.4% of the population are classified as white and non-British, with 40.4% Asian, and a handful other ethnicities.
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