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[Bruce Wayne]

You did not read the article. Reckon you are 4th Reich vegetarian or vegan type, just seen an opportunity bash meat eaters.

People can eat what they like, it really doesn't bother me at all. I'm just amused by how people are so willing to swallow whatever swill is fed their prejudices without actually doing any research to properly understand a topic.

 

[orchard]

It was my understanding that cattle farming was harmful due to the feed required (and the energy and specifically water required to grow it), the land that's cleared to both grow that feed and graze the animal, and the cow's farts.

Again, information derived from the extremes of a failed system. Like me saying all cyclists are tossers just 'cos there's a lot of nob 'eds.

 

[orchard]

And the price of British beef for comparison.

GB deadweight cattle prices | AHDB

Regional prices for all steers, heifers, young bulls and cows - updated weekly

ahdb.org.uk

Works out at around AUD$7.20 per kg, so British farmers currently enjoy a cost advantage over Australian farmers of around AUD$0.80 per kg even before any costs associated with shipping beef from Australia to Britain are considered. But yeah, we'll be flooded with dirt cheap beef because of, erm, something or other.

Factor in subsidies.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

People can eat what they like, it really doesn't bother me at all. I'm just amused by how people are so willing to swallow whatever swill is fed their prejudices without actually doing any research to properly understand a topic.

More about level playing field and the precedent is set for other countries, which puts our own farmers at distinct disadvantage, not a level playing field...

Again, information derived from the extremes of a failed system. Like me saying all cyclists are tossers just 'cos there's a lot of nob 'eds.

Plenty of anecdotal evidence of cycling tossers and nob'eds.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Factor in subsidies.

Good point, I hadn't thought of that. I'm not sure how much that affects the market price, but when you look at things in the cold, it does seem like British farmers are very competitive in price terms against their Australian peers. It seems unlikely that our market will be flooded with imports.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Again, information derived from the extremes of a failed system. Like me saying all cyclists are tossers just 'cos there's a lot of nob 'eds.

Fair point. I came across this, which was based on an interesting Oxford study, which found, as you say, huge disparities in the carbon footprint of beef production

What is the Real Environmental Impact of Beef Production?

Not all farming practices are equally sustainable. There are high and low impact methods of ranching. Discover the real environmental impact of beef production.

www.foodunfolded.com

What is perhaps pertinent, however, is that they reinforce the notion that even the most carbon neutral beef farming is still more polluting than the most carbon intensive vegetable farming.

For @peteblue , the paper is here https://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6392/987

 

[peteblue]

Cmon Pete, don't play dumb. I'm doing you the courtesy of answering all of your questions.

It was a genuine question because many of the answers would be the same for the country, space, living accommodation, food supply etc...I wasn’t being flippant.....

 

[peteblue]

Good point, I hadn't thought of that. I'm not sure how much that affects the market price, but when you look at things in the cold, it does seem like British farmers are very competitive in price terms against their Australian peers. It seems unlikely that our market will be flooded with imports.

Indeed.....

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Australian farming getting very excited as the Australian Agriculture Company is reporting ten fold exports just on beef to the UK. Time to get barbie on Bruce mate, get the Auzzie fillets sizzling, no more mum knows best Iceland beef burger.

Australia’s top beef exporter predicts tenfold UK sales surge on trade deal - Today News Post

Today News || UK News Australia’s biggest beef exporter said it planned to ramp up sales to the UK if the two countries strike a zero tariff, zero quota

todaynewspost.com

But its not just about beef, its lamb both meat/wool, its barley and wheat the list goes on.

Not much of a problem if importers are having to adhere to the same rules as domestic producers, big problem if there are differences.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Australian farming getting very excited as the Australian Agriculture Company is reporting ten fold exports just on beef to the UK. Time, to get barbie on Bruce mate, get the Auzzie fillets sizzling, no more mum knows best Iceland beef burger.

Australia’s top beef exporter predicts tenfold UK sales surge on trade deal - Today News Post

Today News || UK News Australia’s biggest beef exporter said it planned to ramp up sales to the UK if the two countries strike a zero tariff, zero quota

todaynewspost.com

But its not just about beef, its lamb both meat/wool, its barley and wheat the list goes on.

Not much of a problem if importers are having to adhere to the same rules as domestic producers, big problem if there are differences.

*sigh*

I posted a link earlier that showed that exports to non-EU European countries were around 100,000kg a year out of total exports of some 600 million kg a year (and UK production of around 800 million kg per year), so even a 10x increase is a drop in the ocean.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

But its not just about beef, its lamb both meat/wool, its barley and wheat the list goes on.

Not much of a problem if importers are having to adhere to the same rules as domestic producers, big problem if there are differences.

*sigh*

I posted a link earlier that showed that exports to non-EU European countries were around 100,000kg a year out of total exports of some 600 million kg a year (and UK production of around 800 million kg per year), so even a 10x increase is a drop in the ocean.

Must have missed it eating my KFC, but like I said several times it sets a precedent not with just beef or Australia.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It was a genuine question because many of the answers would be the same for the country, space, living accommodation, food supply etc...I wasn’t being flippant.....

You may as well ask why we have a free market rather than a centrally planned economy. The essence is that those directly involved in decisions, which in an immigrants case are usually them, an employer/school, a landlord, and so on. Those people will be infinitely better placed to gauge whether things are a good idea than someone in a windowless office in Marsham Street.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Must have missed it eating my KFC, but like I said several times it sets a precedent not with just beef or Australia.

Canada uses hormone-treatment on their cattle, and not only did that not appear in the deal rolled over in December but that deal was also not used as any precedent for the deal with Australia.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Canada uses hormone-treatment on their cattle, and not only did that not appear in the deal rolled over in December but that deal was also not used as any precedent for the deal with Australia.

Grrrreat and wow... What a deal signed several years ago while we were still EU members and rolled over as we left has got to do with it is just Paul Daniels...




ps, if you are a ludditte and need to be told who to trust...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-live-boris-johnson-b1851256.html

PM insists trade deal with Australia is 'opportunity, not a threat'

Boris Johnson today insisted a free trade deal with Australia should be seen as an 'opportunity' and not a 'threat' as UK farmers fear the agreement could put them out of business.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Alan Whittle]

“...Free Trade Hormones...”