Current Affairs EU In or Out

[peteblue]

I know it shouldn't be surprising by now, but this is such an astonishingly bad take on the situation it's hard to even imagine a parody version of you posting something even denser. Do you really think that the UK is a position to play Billy Big Bollocks in the face of the EU when they've already climbed down so embarrassingly over this before?

Saying the EU is playing 'silly buggers' over NI when they are just trying to put in place the rules that the UK agreed to.

I think the thing that still gobsmacks a lot of remain-sympathisers is just how much people like Pete have become vapid cheerleaders for the Leave campaign, refusing to engage any critical thinking over the matter (not unlike the MAGA lot over the pond). Brexit positions you've supported and demanded have been betrayed again and again. Remember when you hated the backstop and furiously demanded the EU get rid of it? Well, Boris didn't even try to keep NI in the fold - just gave the EU exactly what they wanted without any mechanisms to bring them back over to the UK side of things when it was technologically possible (which was the point of May's backstop).

Instead, the Brexit negotiator, who is now the Brexit minister, in conjunction with the Brexit-cheering Prime Minister, realised that the only way they could keep their big Brexit election promise to the Leave zealots was to cave in to the EU on all the sticking points that May could never get over. The time ran out, the deadline extensions dried up, and they were finally forced to confront the fact that the EU had the stronger negotiating position all along.

It's incredible, because when a political party so spectacularly fails to achieve things that their supporters have clamoured for for so long their support should melt away, but instead of engaging their brains and admitting that there was never a workable solution to the NI trilemma*, the Leavers would rather wallow in the same victimhood that led us down this dark rabbithole in the first place and double down on their support for jingoistic sabre rattling (in the face of multiple previous defeats).

* - achieving hard Brexit but keeping regulatory alignment to both the UK and EU through RoI.

I never wallow in victimhood. I was also more than happy for a complete break from the Eu by way of WTO rules. However it still appears that Remainers like yourself still cannot understand that the Eu tries to ‘punish’ the U.K. at every opportunity for daring to leave the club. The U.K. tried to be a friendly partner, stupidly giving Eu financial services equivalence without reciprocation etc, but that never works with the Eu, they only know how to take. In terms of critical thinking, I am more than happy to engage when you and your ilk actually remember that we have left and need to make the best of the opportunities that present themselves. Yesterday’s arguments are history. The people of the U.K. are really beginning to understand the vindictiveness of the EU, AZ being taken to court and a threat to switch off power to the Channel Islands being but two Recent examples. This will eventually cost them. Our trade with the Eu, even with all the barriers they can dream up, continues as before; but Eu trade to the U.K. even though we still let trade trade without hindrance is beginning to diminish. This will continue for years and they will only backtrack when they want something, and it is at that point that Boris and our side need to remember that concession to the Eu gains nothing. The Eu countries may be our nearest neighbours, but they have never been our friends.....

 

[summerisle]

I never wallow in victimhood. I was also more than happy for a complete break from the Eu by way of WTO rules. However it still appears that Remainers like yourself still cannot understand that the Eu tries to ‘punish’ the U.K. at every opportunity for daring to leave the club. The U.K. tried to be a friendly partner, stupidly giving Eu financial services equivalence without reciprocation etc, but that never works with the Eu, they only know how to take. In terms of critical thinking, I am more than happy to engage when you and your ilk actually remember that we have left and need to make the best of the opportunities that present themselves. Yesterday’s arguments are history. The people of the U.K. are really beginning to understand the vindictiveness of the EU, AZ being taken to court and a threat to switch off power to the Channel Islands being but two Recent examples. This will eventually cost them. Our trade with the Eu, even with all the barriers they can dream up, continues as before; but Eu trade to the U.K. even though we still let trade trade without hindrance is beginning to diminish. This will continue for years and they will only backtrack when they want something, and it is at that point that Boris and our side need to remember that concession to the Eu gains nothing. The Eu countries may be our nearest neighbours, but they have never been our friends.....

 

[Bruce Wayne]

When he asks if people think they're stupid

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Damn that nasty EU for trying to punish us though

 

[roydo]

When he asks if people think they're stupid

Unbelievable.

But sadly, actually not. But a very representative UK audience I thought. lol

 

[roydo]

Damn that nasty EU for trying to punish us though

So sad. UK 2012 Olympics was a place to be proud of. Not now.

Does this impact on Mrs Bruce in any way?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Unbelievable.

But sadly, actually not. But a very representative UK audience I thought. lol

Maybe Pete is the external expert Frost is hiring to explore post-Brexit opportunities?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

So sad. UK 2012 Olympics was a place to be proud of. Not now.

Does this impact on Mrs Bruce in any way?

Thus far the eye of Sauron the Home Office has not had cause to cast its glance our way but I wouldn't be at all confident should it ever do so. The thing is, a big part of the hostile environment is the outsourcing of border patrol measures to employers, landlords, teachers, probably doctors and nurses before long, and it's sadly been documented that because these people are liable for anyone that shouldn't be given a job/house/whatever being given one, it results in discrimination against anyone who sounds a bit foren because employers/landlords/whomever err on the side of caution rather than get in the [Poor language removed]. It's a truly lovely country the Tories are hellbent on creating.

 

[roydo]

Thus far the eye of Sauron the Home Office has not had cause to cast its glance our way but I wouldn't be at all confident should it ever do so. The thing is, a big part of the hostile environment is the outsourcing of border patrol measures to employers, landlords, teachers, probably doctors and nurses before long, and it's sadly been documented that because these people are liable for anyone that shouldn't be given a job/house/whatever being given one, it results in discrimination against anyone who sounds a bit foren because employers/landlords/whomever err on the side of caution rather than get in the [Poor language removed]. It's a truly lovely country the Tories are hellbent on creating.

This is the UK. But it isnt.

I dont expect you to recall early posts I made in all this, but basically, I was/am agnostic to the EU, but just didnt believe the unicorn bollox that the cheerleaders shouted. And I warned that the pro leave folk in the thread not to neither.

One day, they might wake up. I mean, been here 40 plus years, in receipt of a state pension, and is "hostile".

 

[Bruce Wayne]

This is the UK. But it isnt.

I dont expect you to recall early posts I made in all this, but basically, I was/am agnostic to the EU, but just didnt believe the unicorn bollox that the cheerleaders shouted. And I warned that the pro leave folk in the thread not to neither.

One day, they might wake up. I mean, been here 40 plus years, in receipt of a state pension, and is "hostile".

Sadly the Home Office seems to combine incompetence with utter horrendousness. They couldn't have a more appropriate figurehead.

 

[orchard]

When he asks if people think they're stupid

I love the bloke that hates documents of 599 pages.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Interested @Joey66

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Thus far the eye of Sauron the Home Office has not had cause to cast its glance our way but I wouldn't be at all confident should it ever do so. The thing is, a big part of the hostile environment is the outsourcing of border patrol measures to employers, landlords, teachers, probably doctors and nurses before long, and it's sadly been documented that because these people are liable for anyone that shouldn't be given a job/house/whatever being given one, it results in discrimination against anyone who sounds a bit foren because employers/landlords/whomever err on the side of caution rather than get in the [Poor language removed]. It's a truly lovely country the Tories are hellbent on creating.

Horrible for you both.
I worked with a Slovakian lady who volunteered at the citizens advice. Her demeanour noticeably changed after the brexit vote and the last I spoke she was looking to leave the country. She said she no longer felt welcome. I couldn’t care less about trade deals etc. What I do care about is inclusivity and tolerance which, despite the protestations from the Brexit voters, have been flushed down the pan.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Horrible for you both.
I worked with a Slovakian lady who volunteered at the citizens advice. Her demeanour noticeably changed after the brexit vote and the last I spoke she was looking to leave the country. She said she no longer felt welcome. I couldn’t care less about trade deals etc. What I do care about is inclusivity and tolerance which, despite the protestations from the Brexit voters, have been flushed down the pan.

Should say that it's not really the people, most of whom are perfectly fine, at least here in London. More a lingering uncertainty that the government could one day be a pain in the arse for no earthly reason.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Should say that it's not really the people, most of whom are perfectly fine, at least here in London. More a lingering uncertainty that the government could one day be a pain in the arse for no earthly reason.

Yeah my experience was from a small town with relatively low levels of migration.