Current Affairs EU In or Out

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  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
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Travel isn’t hard. It may now be slightly different but come on, it isn’t hard.....
Pull the other one Pete. It is now harder than it was before because questions are asked that simply weren't before. You've worked in manufacturing so you must surely know how much effort is put into making lots of tiny improvements. The same works the other way.
 
Pete, believe me. Life for British living in EU countries is now becoming very complicated.
But leavers say it serves them right.
Shouldn't be living there in the first place.

I’ve read some of the issues and I don’t believe people think it serves them right. They live there, the EU throughout negotiations were always going on about EU residents in the U.K. and the need to ensure they didn’t suffer unduly. It looks like some parts of the EU are doing their level best to be as obnoxious as possible....
 
I’ve read some of the issues and I don’t believe people think it serves them right. They live there, the EU throughout negotiations were always going on about EU residents in the U.K. and the need to ensure they didn’t suffer unduly. It looks like some parts of the EU are doing their level best to be as obnoxious as possible....
The EU are are NOT discriminating against Brits.
We are being treated same as all others of what are called "Third Country Nationals". That means not citizens of the EU.
Many thing which we took for granted and required no actions on our part are now subject to irritating and sometimes expensive procedures.
 
The EU are are NOT discriminating against Brits.
We are being treated same as all others of what are called "Third Country Nationals". That means not citizens of the EU.
Many thing which we took for granted and required no actions on our part are now subject to irritating and sometimes expensive procedures.

Welcome to the rest of the world dealing with the EU......
 
I see that the French will veto any financial services agreement if not linked to fisheries. The EU are also playing silly buggers with the people in Northern Ireland. We should tell the EU that they have one week to sort out the NI protocol in a sensible fashion, and agree the financial equivalence by the end of May, or we will rip up the agreement, move to WTO rules, remove equivalence from Eu finance, and ban all Eu vessels from UK waters from 1st June......
 
I see that the French will veto any financial services agreement if not linked to fisheries. The EU are also playing silly buggers with the people in Northern Ireland. We should tell the EU that they have one week to sort out the NI protocol in a sensible fashion, and agree the financial equivalence by the end of May, or we will rip up the agreement, move to WTO rules, remove equivalence from Eu finance, and ban all Eu vessels from UK waters from 1st June......
I dunno what this is all about Pete but it sounds terribly exciting.
 
I see that the French will veto any financial services agreement if not linked to fisheries. The EU are also playing silly buggers with the people in Northern Ireland. We should tell the EU that they have one week to sort out the NI protocol in a sensible fashion, and agree the financial equivalence by the end of May, or we will rip up the agreement, move to WTO rules, remove equivalence from Eu finance, and ban all Eu vessels from UK waters from 1st June......
As if any of them would take any notice.
 
We should tell the EU that they have one week to sort out the NI protocol in a sensible fashion, and agree the financial equivalence by the end of May, or we will rip up the agreement, move to WTO rules, remove equivalence from Eu finance, and ban all Eu vessels from UK waters from 1st June......

I know it shouldn't be surprising by now, but this is such an astonishingly bad take on the situation it's hard to even imagine a parody version of you posting something even denser. Do you really think that the UK is a position to play Billy Big Bollocks in the face of the EU when they've already climbed down so embarrassingly over this before?

Saying the EU is playing 'silly buggers' over NI when they are just trying to put in place the rules that the UK agreed to.

I think the thing that still gobsmacks a lot of remain-sympathisers is just how much people like Pete have become vapid cheerleaders for the Leave campaign, refusing to engage any critical thinking over the matter (not unlike the MAGA lot over the pond). Brexit positions you've supported and demanded have been betrayed again and again. Remember when you hated the backstop and furiously demanded the EU get rid of it? Well, Boris didn't even try to keep NI in the fold - just gave the EU exactly what they wanted without any mechanisms to bring them back over to the UK side of things when it was technologically possible (which was the point of May's backstop).

Instead, the Brexit negotiator, who is now the Brexit minister, in conjunction with the Brexit-cheering Prime Minister, realised that the only way they could keep their big Brexit election promise to the Leave zealots was to cave in to the EU on all the sticking points that May could never get over. The time ran out, the deadline extensions dried up, and they were finally forced to confront the fact that the EU had the stronger negotiating position all along.

It's incredible, because when a political party so spectacularly fails to achieve things that their supporters have clamoured for for so long their support should melt away, but instead of engaging their brains and admitting that there was never a workable solution to the NI trilemma*, the Leavers would rather wallow in the same victimhood that led us down this dark rabbithole in the first place and double down on their support for jingoistic sabre rattling (in the face of multiple previous defeats).

* - achieving hard Brexit but keeping regulatory alignment to both the UK and EU through RoI.
 
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