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    Votes: 688 67.9%

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    Votes: 325 32.1%
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peteblue said:
Thats a different issue. The CTA covers travel and indeed settlement. Produce movement is covered or should be covered electronically, everything should have a point of origin and a point of destination.The EU however want the U.K. to follow their rules and standards, hence tractors having the wrong type of soil on their tyres, and the ROI under Varadkar saw this as a cunning ploy to gain a ‘United Ireland’. Politicians are causing the problems but hopefully Lord Frost may find a way past their political games. I would guess that Martin and Johnson could find a solution fairly easily with goodwill on both sides. It’s in no ones interests, other than the bureaucracy in Brussels, for this to continue. They’ve had nearly five years to sort this out, but Barnier didn’t want it sorted.....
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It must be nice living in the make believe world you’ve created...
 
The NI issue has the EU saying that the single market cannot be compromised. The UK needs to state that the U.K. will not be compromised. If common sense cannot break out, the U.K. should tear up the agreement, which the EU have still not ratified, walk away and go to WTO rules. They continue to take the piss. Just walk away, we are already building up trade agreements to cover EU losses and stop this interminable debate with them....walk away......
 
peteblue said:
The NI issue has the EU saying that the single market cannot be compromised. The UK needs to state that the U.K. will not be compromised. If common sense cannot break out, the U.K. should tear up the agreement, which the EU have still not ratified, walk away and go to WTO rules. They continue to take the piss. Just walk away, we are already building up trade agreements to cover EU losses and stop this interminable debate with them....walk away......
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It has always been the part of brexit that was impossible to solve.

The EU are not going to compromise on the single market. Why should they? In some ways I think our entire negotiating stance was based on them blinking first on this. They won't.

Therefore we must have a border... And wherever you put that border it's going to cause huge upset.

It's always been obvious from the start.

I just feel very sorry for the people of Northern Ireland who despite voting to stay in have had years of progress ripped away
 
cooperman said:
It has always been the part of brexit that was impossible to solve.

The EU are not going to compromise on the single market. Why should they? In some ways I think our entire negotiating stance was based on them blinking first on this. They won't.

Therefore we must have a border... And wherever you put that border it's going to cause huge upset.

It's always been obvious from the start.

I just feel very sorry for the people of Northern Ireland who despite voting to stay in have had years of progress ripped away
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There are a few types of ‘border’ one for people and one for goods and services etc. The people border is a non issue because of the CTA. The border for goods etc depends upon the direction of goods. If the goods are flowing South to North the U.K. has previously said there will be no hard border and that normal electronic processes will suffice. If the EU and by extension the ROI wish to put one in then that is entirely up to them. This has always been the case and it has always been the EU’s decision.

The total trade between NI and ROI is worth between £5-6Bn, the trade between NI and the U.K. is worth over £20Bn. All goods have paperwork with them. The amount of trade can be tracked to ensure that the U.K. is not using NI as a backdoor to the EU and vice versa. So we have the ludicrous situation of £20Bn of goods carrying all of the EU regulations and bureaucracy from one part of the U.K. to another in order to facilitate less than £3Bn of trade, a pittance in the overall scheme of things, going between NI and ROI. No wonder NI are up in arms.

This is all down to the EU applying no common sense nor goodwill, as we have already seen in the first couple of months of our new relationship. They know exactly what they have done with the connivance of Varadkar.

I too feel sorry for the people of NI in that the EU has been using them as a political football during withdrawal talks and agreements, and that the U.K. government under May just Rolled over. David Frost is working with the EU to try and resolve some of this and I hope he is successful....
 
peteblue said:
There are a few types of ‘border’ one for people and one for goods and services etc. The people border is a non issue because of the CTA. The border for goods etc depends upon the direction of goods. If the goods are flowing South to North the U.K. has previously said there will be no hard border and that normal electronic processes will suffice. If the EU and by extension the ROI wish to put one in then that is entirely up to them. This has always been the case and it has always been the EU’s decision.

The total trade between NI and ROI is worth between £5-6Bn, the trade between NI and the U.K. is worth over £20Bn. All goods have paperwork with them. The amount of trade can be tracked to ensure that the U.K. is not using NI as a backdoor to the EU and vice versa. So we have the ludicrous situation of £20Bn of goods carrying all of the EU regulations and bureaucracy from one part of the U.K. to another in order to facilitate less than £3Bn of trade, a pittance in the overall scheme of things, going between NI and ROI. No wonder NI are up in arms.

This is all down to the EU applying no common sense nor goodwill, as we have already seen in the first couple of months of our new relationship. They know exactly what they have done with the connivance of Varadkar.

I too feel sorry for the people of NI in that the EU has been using them as a political football during withdrawal talks and agreements, and that the U.K. government under May just Rolled over. David Frost is working with the EU to try and resolve some of this and I hope he is successful....
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Northern Ireland is in the UK so do you mean Great Britain?

It's an odd argument to say that it is the EU putting a border up when Brexit is what has forced it. And even if it was a genuine thing, what common sense or goodwill would you expect after an acrimonious and badly judged campaign full of lies and half truths was enacted for the last few years?
 
I see the little Bonaparte Macron is still pursuing an EU army and using the Ukraine as an excuse. Meanwhile the USA has had strong words with Russia and the U.K. will be sending a pitiful few ships to the region. But what of Europe and the EU, what of France and Germany. Well France is doing sod all but has always talked a good fight before running away and Germany are too preoccupied with getting cheap gas from Russia....EU army eh.....
 
Cockles... So it begins.

Government begins to rectify its bad Brexit deal by lowering of food standards. Shell fish reclassified, Ecoli measurement goes from 700 to 46000 per 100g. Pfft public health. Hoorah Brexit.

www.food.gov.uk

Shellfish classification

How production areas are classified, the method of treatment and how to apply for classification.
www.food.gov.uk www.food.gov.uk
 
The sunny uplands is busy creating its milk lake and butter mountains, getting Brexit done, well the farmers are getting done that is.

www.independent.co.uk

Sales of milk and cream to EU plunge 96% because of Brexit

Food and Drink Federation pleads with Boris Johnson to ‘urgently’ restarts talks to resolve the crisis
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk

All talk and no action.

www.thegrocer.co.uk

Pick for Britain scheme for UK-based farm workers scrapped

The scheme was launched last year to recruit UK workers for seasonal farm jobs
www.thegrocer.co.uk www.thegrocer.co.uk
 
NilSatisOptimum said:
The sunny uplands is busy creating its milk lake and butter mountains, getting Brexit done, well the farmers are getting done that is.

www.independent.co.uk

Sales of milk and cream to EU plunge 96% because of Brexit

Food and Drink Federation pleads with Boris Johnson to ‘urgently’ restarts talks to resolve the crisis
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk

All talk and no action.

www.thegrocer.co.uk

Pick for Britain scheme for UK-based farm workers scrapped

The scheme was launched last year to recruit UK workers for seasonal farm jobs
www.thegrocer.co.uk www.thegrocer.co.uk
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Have they tried waiting and seeing?
 
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