Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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Sorry, not being awkward for the sake of it, but I've read your response 4 times and do not understand it - can you elaborate further?
I thought I was being very concise in what is a complicated issue.

Basically when German and French workers start losing their jobs because they can no longer export to their largest market they are going to look to someone to blame. They are going to question why a deal securing free trade wasn't done. They are going to blame those that stood in the way of free trade. They are going to blame the smaller countries of the EU who will stand in the way. They are going to blame the EU.
 
So that'll work in our favour then......

Not for the car industry which imports between 30% and 60% - depending on which car - from the EU. Which will be subject to tariffs of between 10% and 20% depending on which part. This will make car assembly more expensive and a depreciated pound will not compensate for this additional cost. Of course, there could be a major expansion of UK made car parts but that would take time, be expensive and businesses would find it difficult to get the finance for opening new factories or expansion.
 
No one could have seen that coming.....Guardian article quoting Jeremy Corbyn and selective quotes about a proposal that hasn't yet been drafted or rolled out. The people who want high tech people, etc, will still get them, those that want low skill/low pay east Europeans won't ..........

Not so straight forward getting high skilled as a company will have to 'prove' it tried to recruit UK workers. Once a bureaucratic 'initiative' starts it will be for all workers in all sectors. You are right about 'a proposal that hasn't yet been drafted or rolled out' because it will be shot down by businesses that rely on migrant labour to make a profit and survive. Goes to show the Tories are at sixes and sevens over leaving the EU and mouth off first, to satisfy the anti Europeans in their party, before engaging their brains.

Edit. The selective quotes were from business people.

"Mike Cherry, the national chairman of the FSB, said: “British business is concerned at moves to ‘name and shame’ firms that employ workers from other nations. Fundamentally, the UK has been a global magnet for talent and this must be considered by ministers. The ability to hire the right people for the right job is paramount, and we will be championing this in the upcoming consultation.

“We also do not want to see small business owners turned into immigration officers nor encumbered by new bureaucracy. Our members will seek confirmation that entrepreneurs and the self-employed from other countries will remain welcome, as they contribute to the economic growth we all want to see.”

Manufacturers warned that foreign workers should not be regarded as a “simple statistic”.

Tim Thomas, the director of employment and skills policy at the EEF, the manufacturers’ organisation, said: “The concept of businesses reporting the number of workers who are not UK nationals will be a complete anathema to all responsible employers. Ironically, at a time when the government says it wants to extend opportunity to all and promote inclusion, this proposal will be divisive and damaging to the UK’s diverse and multicultural workforces.

“The object, it seems, is to shame those employers with a proportion of non-UK workers above some hypothetic and arbitrary level. Workers, whether UK, EU or global contribute greatly to UK industry and should be welcomed and not regarded as a simple statistic.”

The Institute of Directors said businesses focused on the skills of workers rather than their nationality. Seamus Nevin, head of employment and skills policy at the IoD, said: “This is a concerning proposal from the government. The notion that employers prefer foreign workers to UK-born is wrong. Employers don’t discriminate by nationality – all that matters is the talent available.

“Immigrants are not like-for-like substitutes. They fill skills gap that cannot be filled domestically. Therefore it is hard to understand what government expects this ‘naming and shaming’ policy will achieve.”

Bosses in the technology industry warned that the plans could jeopardise the fledgling sector in Britain.
 
Not so straight forward getting high skilled as a company will have to 'prove' it tried to recruit UK workers. Once a bureaucratic 'initiative' starts it will be for all workers in all sectors. You are right about 'a proposal that hasn't yet been drafted or rolled out' because it will be shot down by businesses that rely on migrant labour to make a profit and survive. Goes to show the Tories are at sixes and sevens over leaving the EU and mouth off first, to satisfy the anti Europeans in their party, before engaging their brains.
I doubt there's too many pro-EU Tories left. They seem to have taken the Brexit vote and embraced it. In a way that's good for Labour since they have went the other way.
 
Not so straight forward getting high skilled as a company will have to 'prove' it tried to recruit UK workers. Once a bureaucratic 'initiative' starts it will be for all workers in all sectors. You are right about 'a proposal that hasn't yet been drafted or rolled out' because it will be shot down by businesses that rely on migrant labour to make a profit and survive. Goes to show the Tories are at sixes and sevens over leaving the EU and mouth off first, to satisfy the anti Europeans in their party, before engaging their brains.
No they are giving the out voters their wish because like it or not we voted to leave, why you propose the EU as the b all and end all when it has negative growth amazes me!
It's never audited its accounts, it has two beurocratic parliaments costing 100 million just to maintain its going to go bust anyway IMO!
 
No they are giving the out voters their wish because like it or not we voted to leave, why you propose the EU as the b all and end all when it has negative growth amazes me!
It's never audited its accounts, it has two beurocratic parliaments costing 100 million just to maintain its going to go bust anyway IMO!

Those that wanted out in the Tory party have always been vocal often out doing those that want to remain in the EU. This is early days and the silence from those that want to remain was all to evident at the Tory conference. But that does not mean they are not going behind May's back and causing trouble. There will be more exposures like Rudd's business dealings the nearer the May government triggers Article 50 and there will be even more rifts during negotiations.

This amuses me Joey, 'why you propose the EU as the b all and end all when it has negative growth amazes me!' as I have never said the EU was the 'b all and end all'.

In or out the EU the UK economy will suffer as there are turbulent times ahead economically. The uncertainty of leaving the EU - a comfort blanket for businesses in particular finance - will make any turbulence greater. Unfortunately, the Tories will make a mess of things and the Tory party conference highlights that they don't know their backsides from their elbows.
 
The Tories there in the news at their conference: what a hideous bunch of evil doers.

Very disappointed in May's shoes tbh, drab, unimpressive, very shiney, cost a fortune and are probably jarg imports that will have to go back....

or was that the context of her speech?
 
Very disappointed in May's shoes tbh, drab, unimpressive, very shiney, cost a fortune and are probably jarg imports that will have to go back....

or was that the context of her speech?

A monster in haute couture. I think I do now accept the Ickeian theory that they are indeed lizards. There's no other explanation for their inhumanity. A repugnant bunch of aliens sucking the marrow out of the population they've landed amongst.
 
No they are giving the out voters their wish because like it or not we voted to leave, why you propose the EU as the b all and end all when it has negative growth amazes me!
It's never audited its accounts, it has two beurocratic parliaments costing 100 million just to maintain its going to go bust anyway IMO!

As someone else, I think, who voted leave, what exactly was my wish?

It wasn't just to leave or detach from the European Union, it isn't as simplistic as that, and why the vote was a stitch up for either side. For such a consequential decision there were no permutations put forward as to content and context.

I have been opposed to the EU for many, many years and can qualify my reasons. The preparation, or lack of it, plus media presentation and influence is now sending too many to the crapper in fear. There's a storm coming and it is designed. The concept of shock and awe economically is the only reason such a childish attempt at realpolitik could be taking place, all slapdash, ego driven and done blindly by politicians.
 
More false information
go on then show me every year for the last 20 years they have produced aufdited accounts -
In brief

Claim
The EU’s accounts haven’t been signed off for years.

Conclusion
Auditors say the accounts are accurate and have been since 2007. But they record significant errors in how money is paid, and this has been the case since 1995.
EU auditors refuse to sign off more than £100billion of its own spending
Critics attack the EU for demanding that David Cameron pays a £1.7 billion bill despite an official audit failing to give a clean bill of health to more than £100 billion of Brussels spending
"I rest my case your honour"
 
As someone else, I think, who voted leave, what exactly was my wish?

It wasn't just to leave or detach from the European Union, it isn't as simplistic as that, and why the vote was a stitch up for either side. For such a consequential decision there were no permutations put forward as to content and context.

I have been opposed to the EU for many, many years and can qualify my reasons. The preparation, or lack of it, plus media presentation and influence is now sending too many to the crapper in fear. There's a storm coming and it is designed. The concept of shock and awe economically is the only reason such a childish attempt at realpolitik could be taking place, all slapdash, ego driven and done blindly by politicians.
In other words you voted OUT good on you!
 
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