Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Blues Harp]

What do you want me to say?. I'm just acknowledging that the bus advertisement wasn't factual. The truth is that the money we save in not contributing to the EU, approximately £14bn pa, will go into the pot. Had we still been in the EU it probably would have been closer to £25bn pa but best not go there. There's no way of knowing what that £14bn would be spent on as that's not how our treasury works, but some of it would have been spent on replacing some of the benefits we previously received from the EU, such as CAP and development funding.

Since 2016 a lot more than £350m per week extra has been sent on our NHS. But that is down to years of austerity and nothing to do with Brexit.

Not getting at you mate....wether it was a lie or an "equivelant" it convinced a lot of people (not all) that it was going to happen.
Let's continue Project "Wait and see" shall we, and discover what richy rich spaffs up the wall (sorry, spends wisely on private contractors) with all this extra cash we may or may not be getting....probably...watch this space.

 

[Barnfred 55]

So it was just a blatant lie.
However it did con millions and millions of people.

So millions and millions of people were persuaded by a crass advertisement on the side of a bus. But the official government leaflet that went out to every single household in the country advising people to vote Remain seemingly had zero effect.

The truth is you have no idea what was the key driver of people voting Brexit, just like you have no idea what "little Englanders" would make of this story about expats returning to Spain. I've been referred to as a "little Englander" within this thread, and my first thought on reading that article was what officious knobheads those airline staff were.

 

[peteblue]

Where’s the Bus......

 

[peteblue]

So millions and millions of people were persuaded by a crass advertisement on the side of a bus. But the official government leaflet that went out to every single household in the country advising people to vote Remain seemingly had zero effect.

The truth is you have no idea what was the key driver of people voting Brexit, just like you have no idea what "little Englanders" would make of this story about expats returning to Spain. I've been referred to as a "little Englander" within this thread, and my first thought on reading that article was what officious knobheads those airline staff were.

Precisely...

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Well, as I'm sure you understand, I am not party to the intricate workings of HM Treasury, so I do not know how financial matters on a national scale will pan out in the future. Perhaps you know...?

So if the message meant nothing and was just an equivalence. Why not say something like ‘we send the Eu £350 million a week, why not use this money to nuke Ireland instead?’

 

[peteblue]

Shock horror. Politicians lying, being economical with the truth. I fully believed that the city of London would collapse within weeks of a leave vote. The British economy would collapse within days of a leave vote. That Cameron won concessions from the EU. That the SNP would respect the NO vote for independence
Liars on both sides!,,

I hope you are not suggesting that the SNP would go back on their ‘generational’ word......

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Not arguing with any of that. Just saying that it was crass and disingenuous and left the Leave campaign open to the sort of criticism it's getting today, four and a half years on.

The people I know who voted Leave would have taken that for what it was, but if they hadn't done it we wouldn't be having this discussion now.

I didn’t think it was possible, but a work mate of mine voted to leave due to the bus message and was under the impression we’d use that money for the NHS. With such fine margins it’s hard not to think that it could have swayed the vote.

 

[peteblue]

So if the message meant nothing and was just an equivalence. Why not say something like ‘we send the Eu £350 million a week, why not use this money to nuke Ireland instead?’

They wanted to keep the vote close and not embarrass the Remainers.....

 

[Barnfred 55]

Boris has given it to his mates.....

I see you're in full wind up mode today Pete.

 

[peteblue]

I didn’t think it was possible, but a work mate of mine voted to leave due to the bus message and was under the impression we’d use that money for the NHS. With such fine margins it’s hard not to think that it could have swayed the vote.

A mate of mine voted remain because he has a fear of cliff edges.....

 

[JimmyJeffers]

I hope you are not suggesting that the SNP would go back on their ‘generational’ word......

I dunno if they did say that actually. Johnson has but think the SNP called it a once in a generation opportunity or something. The danger was proposed at the time that a close vote could lead to multiple referendums.
I’m sure some brexit boys were saying that if they lost the vote by a close margin it would not kill the question.

 

[peteblue]

I see you're in full wind up mode today Pete.

Just waiting for my wife to finish cooking the Sunday lunch...normally I’d have been in the pub, but tier 4 and all......

 

[JimmyJeffers]

A mate of mine voted remain because he has a fear of cliff edges.....

... it’s a fairly rational fear

 

[random]

Where’s the Bus......

Behind all the leave voters

 

[JimmyJeffers]

They wanted to keep the vote close and not embarrass the Remainers.....

Yes could have turned my vote to be fair