Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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peteblue said:
No one is blaming the EU for being tough negotiators. You can blame them for being stupid, or for setting out negotiations as a ‘punishment’ but you’ll never get me complaining that they have been tough. I’m just glad that we are doing the same. The EU never believed we would just walk away, even now I doubt that they believe so......
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The narrative is already starting Pete. That if a deal is not reached it is the EU’s fault for being unreasonable, Boris’ comments have laid the groundwork for this.

If the EU are unreasonable that’s their prerogative, and if those in charge of our country can’t get a good deal after telling us leave would be super then they’re the ones who the buck stops with. Not Brussels.

Leave campaigners insisted that the EU would not possibly allow a no deal, that we would get a beautiful oven ready pristine A grade deal. No deal wasn’t even a possibility according to Hannan/Gove et al.
 
JEBUS_LIVES said:
Can you link it please Bruce
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dx.doi.org

The impact of empathy and perspective-taking instructions on proponents and opponents of immigration - Humanities and Social Sciences Communications

In many societies, immigration is a conflictual topic, leading to heated exchanges between proponents and opponents of immigration. Such debates on immigration might benefit from the engagement of the discussants in empathy and perspective taking. Although empathy and perspective-taking...
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Bruce Wayne said:
dx.doi.org

The impact of empathy and perspective-taking instructions on proponents and opponents of immigration - Humanities and Social Sciences Communications

In many societies, immigration is a conflictual topic, leading to heated exchanges between proponents and opponents of immigration. Such debates on immigration might benefit from the engagement of the discussants in empathy and perspective taking. Although empathy and perspective-taking...
dx.doi.org dx.doi.org
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Cheers Bruce. Off to swimming. I'll have a read later.
 
peteblue said:
Fishing was never a prime reason for leaving the EU. I said you will never understand Leave voters ......
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Not what I said though is it? So yet another Strawman from you. I said it had been used as a prime reason, as it has and still is, it’s called a demonstrable fact.

It was used as it’s territorial and can therefore be made emotive, especially when you’re trying to portray a trading bloc of our allies as the enemy & evoke days of the Empire and WWII type emotions in people.

I understand Leave voters perfectly well thanks, but unlike you, I don’t treat them as a homogeneous blob, and understand the nuance that existed in the reasoning of the spectrum of voters who chose that option. It’s beyond irony that you have the temerity to suggest that it’s me who doesn’t understand, given that you tried to erroneously claim that 99.999% of Leave voters want no deal the other day.
 
Foot Long Hot Dog said:
Not what I said though is it? So yet another Strawman from you. I said it had been used as a prime reason, as it has and still is, it’s called a demonstrable fact.

It was used as it’s territorial and can therefore be made emotive, especially when you’re trying to portray a trading bloc of our allies as the enemy & evoke days of the Empire and WWII type emotions in people.

I understand Leave voters perfectly well thanks, but unlike you, I don’t treat them as a homogeneous blob, and understand the nuance that existed in the reasoning of the spectrum of voters who chose that option. It’s beyond irony that you have the temerity to suggest that it’s me who doesn’t understand, given that you tried to erroneously claim that 99.999% of Leave voters want no deal the other day.
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I didn’t say they want no deal....
 
peteblue said:
There will either be a deal, or a series of mini deals. Macron can say no deal, in which case his fishermen have zero access, or he can try to push for a two or three year set of fishing deals (which I have to agree is a sensible way forward for investment purpose). But only Macron knows. His main problem now is how to extricate himself from the corner he has painted himself into without being made to look even more of a pillock.....
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French fishermen will just block our trawlers catches, after all its where most British caught fish ends up... Macron is onto winner domestically. The nuance of geo politics...
 
Foot Long Hot Dog said:
Only you replied to my post that was specifically about no deal with the erroneous claim that 99.999% of Leave voters would be happy.

FISH.
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peteblue said:
There is a big difference between being happy and wanting.....
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In recent polling only 24% of those asked thought leaving the EU without a deal would be a good or very good outcome. 50% said bad or very bad and 25% said they didn’t know.

I think it’s a pretty gigantic leap to suggest 99% of leave voters would be happy with no deal.
 
Brennan said:
In recent polling only 24% of those asked thought leaving the EU without a deal would be a good or very good outcome. 50% said bad or very bad and 25% said they didn’t know.

I think it’s a pretty gigantic leap to suggest 99% of leave voters would be happy with no deal.
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Ok I’ll concede on this. It’s 99% of those I know.....
 
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