Current Affairs EU In or Out

[tsubaki]

I admire your steadfastness in rolling out this line about every issue that has erroneously been blamed on the EU for donkey's years, but for whom now you really, really, really will hold this government to account (rather than blaming civil servants, scientists, the judiciary, the media...)

I admire your steadfastness in even suggesting that is ever going to happen.

 

[Jebus_lives]

PARIS (Reuters) - French fishermen know they won’t get the same access to British fishing waters after Brexit, President Emmanuel Macron said on Friday, a sign of a softening stance on one of the main issues blocking an EU-Britain trade deal.


“Will the situation be the same as today’s? No, that’s for sure. Our fishermen know it, we know it too. We’ll have to help them. But can we accept a Brexit that sacrifices our fishermen? No,” Macron said.


Fishing rights are one of the last big issues left between Britain and the European Union to hammer out a trade deal that would take effect when a transition ends and Britain leaves the EU orbit at the end of the year. The issue is particularly important in France, home to coastal communities that have long fished in British waters.


While conceding that French and EU fishermen would not get the same level of access as now, Macron said a deal must give European fishermen long term visibility.


Britain wants fishing quotas to be renegotiated each year. The EU rejects this, arguing that it would make it impossible for the industry to make investment decisions.


Macron has come under pressure to relent on fishing, a small industry compared to others, such as Germany’s car manufacturers, that could be hurt by a no-deal Brexit. He insisted that fishing was not the main stumbling block in talks.

Do you think there will be a deal?

 

[Jebus_lives]

I admire your steadfastness in rolling out this line about every issue that has erroneously been blamed on the EU for donkey's years, but for whom now you really, really, really will hold this government to account (rather than blaming civil servants, scientists, the judiciary, the media...)

As long as there is one other person than Boris, Pete will find a scapegoat.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Indeed...but at least now there can be no excuses nor hiding behind the EU. I hope the fishing Industry holds the government’s feet to the flames over this matter.....

You sure as hell won't.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Indeed...but at least now there can be no excuses nor hiding behind the EU. I hope the fishing Industry holds the government’s feet to the flames over this matter.....

Which completely ignores that fact that this tiny industry has been used as a prime reason for why we had to leave the EU & is now being used as a prime reason for why we should end up with no deal.

You’re now finally admitting that both premises are lies, whilst simultaneously claiming that no deal would somehow be an acceptable outcome, but yet still the fault of the EU.

 

[orly]

Do you think there will be a deal?

There won't be. It's going to be a market-calming outline text at best now.

 

[Jebus_lives]

There won't be. It's going to be a market-calming outline text at best now.

I'm still confident of a UK climb down heralded victory. Appearing to play hard now so that it makes it seem like victory later

 

[Brennan]

I may be missing something, but why are people blaming the EU for being tough in negotiations ?

Leave voters chose this. There was so much argument from the remain side that the EU would be rigid and set an example to other EU members, which was dismissed as nonsense and project fear.

This was literally what 52% of people voted for.

 

[peteblue]

Do you think there will be a deal?

There will either be a deal, or a series of mini deals. Macron can say no deal, in which case his fishermen have zero access, or he can try to push for a two or three year set of fishing deals (which I have to agree is a sensible way forward for investment purpose). But only Macron knows. His main problem now is how to extricate himself from the corner he has painted himself into without being made to look even more of a pillock.....

 

[peteblue]

Which completely ignores that fact that this tiny industry has been used as a prime reason for why we had to leave the EU & is now being used as a prime reason for why we should end up with no deal.

You’re now finally admitting that both premises are lies, whilst simultaneously claiming that no deal would somehow be an acceptable outcome, but yet still the fault of the EU.

Fishing was never a prime reason for leaving the EU. I said you will never understand Leave voters ......

 

[peteblue]

I may be missing something, but why are people blaming the EU for being tough in negotiations ?

Leave voters chose this. There was so much argument from the remain side that the EU would be rigid and set an example to other EU members, which was dismissed as nonsense and project fear.

This was literally what 52% of people voted for.

No one is blaming the EU for being tough negotiators. You can blame them for being stupid, or for setting out negotiations as a ‘punishment’ but you’ll never get me complaining that they have been tough. I’m just glad that we are doing the same. The EU never believed we would just walk away, even now I doubt that they believe so......

 

[Jebus_lives]

There will either be a deal, or a series of mini deals. Macron can say no deal, in which case his fishermen have zero access, or he can try to push for a two or three year set of fishing deals (which I have to agree is a sensible way forward for investment purpose). But only Macron knows. His main problem now is how to extricate himself from the corner he has painted himself into without being made to look even more of a pillock.....

I think there will be a deal.

 

[peteblue]

I'm still confident of a UK climb down heralded victory. Appearing to play hard now so that it makes it seem like victory later

I‘m glad you want the U.K. to climb down or fail, once again it sums up the attitude of many remainers and their desire to see the U.K. fail.....

 

[Jebus_lives]

I‘m glad you want the U.K. to climb down or fail, once again it sums up the attitude of many remainers and their desire to see the U.K. fail.....

I want nothing of the sort. Being confident of it happening and wanting it to happen are two separate things.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

You can imagine my surprise this morning reading a paper showing that people who are anti-immigration are incapable of showing empathy towards others, and when asked to do so become very defensive and hostile. Shocked I tell you.